# Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [June 29, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073 "2020-06-29T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/467 "2020-07-01T23:09:13Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > So the interesting thing about this thread is that > > - Almost the entirety of the reaction is negative > - Almost the entirety of the negative reaction is on the not-unreasonable assumption that the changes will be permanent after this supposedly limited-time event I wanted to test your hypothesis, so I went back and reviewed every post, and wrote down the names of the characters who made positive, negative and neutral comments. Positive comments were some version of “I’m excited for this and I intend to play it,” negative comments were some variation of “this is bad/this will kill X” and neutral were comments that didn’t take a position or complained about some other feature not getting worked on. I found 39 posters who were positive, 29 posters who were negative, 23 who were neutral. So, no, most of the comments weren’t negative. In addition, I only noted a handful of people complain about these being made permanent - the most common negative reaction was that this was instanced PvP, followed by its impact on small-gangs and roaming. But I do appreciate you putting in a number of ways to make this okay, and I’ll pass those on to the Live Team. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/468 "2020-07-01T23:12:43Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > yes that was precisely the reason he pulled negative attention. we are expecting him to be as our representative and as ambassador to listen different opinions and hold bit more neutral ground … Not strongly holding one side while clapping for that trying to convince other side that their worries are groundless …that something we reacted … He is here As Represantative … and has different position than rest of us … holding ground here is not the right place… this is place where he can fulfill his position with more neutral standing … Mike also stands good from first momement … but he never attempted to break through his position … that was something we all respect… and none of us come with > any single complain Mike and I did the exact same thing in here - both of us were positive about the new feature. He said all of the same things that I said, including pushing back on folks who were reacting negatively and claiming these were bad. I’m starting to think you’ve got a personal problem with me rather than some kind of high-minded complaint that I was too opinionated, lol. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/469 "2020-07-01T23:24:58Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > Then don’t enter. As I said, this is another fad. It will pass as well. you are here and talking in your name … absolutely the way you and me playing this game is totally different … and perspectives are different … i do lead a corporation community on focuse . Non profit … friendly fire legal fightclub… im growing new pilots into PVP last couple of years… also im one of those pilots who stand in english hep channel and rookie help channel and answering endless questions days and days … My enjoyment of this game comes out of working for the better PVP enviroment and increasing pilot qualities in New Eden … Grow new pilots into pvp with healty risk assesment skills… But not risk averse … Oh may be one more catch… i have lost soo many good old friends … veteran pilots who quit… and i know the reasons… i still truly believe that this is sand box game and we can create our own space…And i have hope still may be they come back one day … but i know also all traps… i know the condition of current habitat and eye witnessed how it change after release by release … There is no catch or win or personal profit in the way of my game style .out of satisfaction helping other people … I do come From Mutual War Tradition … here you can get bit idea if you havent heard of it … i dont know your experience or background … https://www.eternalwar.org/items-8/Mutual-War-Concept So this it kind of PVP that sides engage each other in high sec in low sec and null sec regardless to sec lvl … no gate guns no concord intervention … totall PVP madness unlimited oportunity for creativity and %100 player driven … so if i am here and still bringing all these facts into words… not because me seeking personal gain … We value attitude … right mind set… value knowledge and understanding , fittings, mechanics, piloting skills over iskies… we are operating from the point of old traditional pilots home … ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/470 "2020-07-01T23:31:04Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > we are operating from the point of old traditional pilots home … This is how I play as well. (when I bother anymore) But I see it as no more a threat than the lottery/not lottery. That end of the world addition, who is bothered by that anymore. Just a recent example. (dinner time.) ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/471 "2020-07-01T23:33:34Z")
@MB_ThePhotographer I think you are stupid, you’re ugly, and I hate you!!1! (Don’t think I haven’t noticed you trolling me on this thread 👀) > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > this is another fad. It will pass as well. Ugh 🤮 … Abyssal hasn’t passed and non-abyssal participants feel the impacts still… the concern lies if it doesn’t pass… I’m glad Mike is receptive to my ideas and Brisc - after his passive-aggressive N+1 (🤣😆😂) - is relaying them to the devs. Poison the well! Poison the well! ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/472 "2020-07-01T23:38:49Z")
i dont know you… i had seen you here and talk first time … But i know mike … And no Mike and you may be share the same idea correct … But the way mike stand up and you totally different … If you cant see the difference i cant help you from here … i already lectured you in public and thats more than enough for me… not something i like it either … if you have some advisors about PR/ Communication skills ask them please… for your own behalf and personal awareness for the future… And also remember it was not only me but also others like that pilot who also mentioned that you are a lawyer and he added his opinion i think i remember something like that … and others reacted to you too at the same junction points … but not to mike … So dont take it personal please. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/474 "2020-07-01T23:48:35Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > (Don’t think I haven’t noticed you trolling me on this thread 👀) Someone has to keep you honest! 😉 bluelysian brings up a valid concern without being insulting, etc. So that I will discuses my point with him at all shows I have respect for him. I just don’t see it. I would also like to see the current numbers on how many use the abyssal sites? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/475 "2020-07-01T23:49:14Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > So dont take it personal please. It’s hard not to take it personally when you don’t know who I am, lecture me on things I’m a nationally acknowledged expert at, and then give a pass to somebody else who did exactly the same thing I did. But hey, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, which is more than you gave me. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/476 "2020-07-01T23:51:04Z")
You guys volunteer for this??? 🤪 ---
**Author:** ![Gina\_Tonic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gina_tonic/32/490181_2.png) [@Gina\_Tonic](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gina_Tonic)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/477 "2020-07-01T23:56:36Z")
@CCP_Dopamine To CCP: I believe there are MANY players who want an opportunity to find fair 1v1 fights involving T1 frigates. They are affordable, they are the broadest and most varied segment, and the fights are quick. This would be an entry into all the other types of pvp in EVE. However, it is WAY TOO RARE to find those even in FW where wealthier and more experienced players steamroll newer players with their pirate frigs. This means that newer players who WANT to get into pvp have very few opportunities to do so. This has been a long-standing problem in EVE. Therefore, please consider making a proving grounds exclusively for T1 1v1 frigates. This would address MANY issues in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/479 "2020-07-02T00:00:20Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > I’m starting to think you’ve got a personal problem with me rather than some kind of high-minded complaint that I was too opinionated, lol. I’m beginning to believe you. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/480 "2020-07-02T00:13:45Z")
listen … if i dont know you… how possibly i can go personal… im sory you had linked something i know… and still in my mind when i have time i will read it … We are all using written language here … no face/body reading no other touch… there is 476 message in this thread … and since first moment i join here …People calling me Man , dude . him… Im friciking women maan… mother of 3 kids… i do Play eve over a decade and i do solo /skirmish PVP … aand yes… since you claim your expertise i claim mine to… i m a psychologist …had been work 15 years as national expert given authorisation by UNICEF and Goverment and i had also work UN /UNICEF projects related to Trauma /Crisis Management subjects.And i had trained the leaders from different segments The way i am reading texts might be slightly different than the way of others do 😛 ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/481 "2020-07-02T00:19:44Z")
Not to defend Brisc, he can do that himself. It did “seem” kinda personal. Anyway, without numbers for the moment, I’ll take a wait and see. I just don’t see enough profit drive. It will be abused somehow. It is what EVE players do best. Meh… ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/482 "2020-07-02T00:22:10Z")
he can take it the way he wish that doesnt change the reality… … i am still behind every word i have wrote… true and through … ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/483 "2020-07-02T00:22:25Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > i m a psychologist …had been work 15 years as national expert given authorisation by UNICEF and Goverment and i had also work UN /UNICEF projects related to Trauma /Crisis Management subjects.And i had trained the leaders from different segments Impressive and thanks! I still disagree! Call me on this thd a month or two from now! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/484 "2020-07-02T00:24:45Z")
i think i had seen 135 mil isk in one of trig caches Andy virus opened … 15 min 135 mil for 2 person cruiser …which if they bring some expensive fits with pods… they can clean the field even under 5 min … if they run it 3 times in 1 hour 200 mil per pilot… some people may find it attractive i guess… if they run it 6 times 400 mil isk per hour… how much long cool down timer for that thing??? ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/485 "2020-07-02T00:30:04Z")
I didn’t join the game to grind isk. We do have different playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/494 "2020-07-02T00:56:04Z")
Worse, I worked hard to get this position. Madness, right? m ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/496 "2020-07-02T01:09:07Z")
You don’t have to be crazy to work here, but it helps 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/500 "2020-07-02T01:18:02Z")
lol so i’ve been reading this, made a couple of posts but man has this gone so far off topic. From reading the bottom end of this thread for the past 10-15mins\* i honestly would have NO IDEA what this thread was about if i was new here lol To be on topic, Im still not convinced this is going to kill existing eve pvp. As a couple others have suggested this could be the leg up some players need to get some pvp experience before moving on to otherthings and even more critically this can give players in dead time zones a way of actually getting pvp to begin with. To those unsure to what i mean, try logging into eve in about 7 hours time, enjoy all the empty space! After midnight in america and around 6am in EU the game is barren, welcome to the aussie primetime! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=25)