# Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [June 29, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073 "2020-06-29T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/549 "2020-07-02T18:02:57Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > > [@Mike\_Azariah](#): > > > > it is a thing that IS coming. > > Also because you and other CSM are actively promoting it instead of fighting against. Don’t underestimate your role here. They have “guys” they hold.. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/550 "2020-07-02T18:03:22Z")
Admirable efforts. 🙂 As to why CCP is doing what they’re doing … I can’t tell. Also please know that ISD is not CCP and that you should petition ISDs who treat you wrongly. I understand that people are having issues with you doing it in the rookie chat, but I believe it’s mostly the losers, carebears and wannabe PvPers who sense you as a threat to their beliefs. This is not a topic for this thread, though. We should move it somewhere else. I will send you a mail later today. ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/552 "2020-07-02T18:18:28Z")
Back to topic… i really need those ideas challenged by someone conscious and [knowledgeable] Can SOMEONE here goundly who is defending … explain and challenge these ideas ! … like 2 days … none of these very a few defenders came with proper explanation: i do challenge and i would like to hear how you guys defending this : > [@bluelysian](#): > > > [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > > > > Should read “wanting to gain greater experience” just because you cant learn everything in an arena. Just saying… > > > [/quote] > > > > > > Legid statement … > > > > > > Up to now what i see … in this instanced arena you have to go for Micro Warpdrives ! No AB no go… also you dont have so much chance with armor tank against active but more passiv shield tank … up to now one of best sugestion is Caracals … You will hear those incoming days more and more… > > > > > > Now this meta familiar very familiar . one spesific security area use these alot in EVE… himm lets elaborate… > > > > > > you instancing players into PVP but… since in arena noone can warp away … Points are Pointless right … > > > so after AB we can also take the point ( warp disrupter ) out of table tooo… > > > Scram still can be valuable but … context… ECM will be shining start… which already refused by many old good solo /small gang PVPers in the game but hailed in null sec > > > > > > When you look at low sec you can see large variations of fits . PVP learning without using PVP s back bone modules TACKLE MODULES ??? > > > > > > so they use kite himm… so kite but without loosing your Point … ?? huh … how they will practice that possibly there?? meanwhile they trade that slot for extra shield??? > > > > > > IS there any win chance in that arena for the pilots use HOLY TRINITY ??? ( ab web scram ) when they respawned in the arena 65 km away from their opponents??? > > > > > > FACT : so whoever here mentioned that these arenas are good oportunity to learn PVP for new players… > > > Know nothing about training new players in to PVP and how to progress their knowledge understanding tactical and piloting skills … > > > > > > it has only value for people shoot at each other … whoever has higher skills 5b pods and 2bil fitted t2 cruisers… wins … > > > > > > And current set up this ARENA supports one META… which is veeery popular in one spesific secuurity area in eve NUL SEC! > > > > > > large fleets, t2 dedicated tackles and damage focused logi supported passive shileld Pointless and scramless dps sheeps > > > > > > Now this arena is perfect passage point for null sec meta pvp… > > > > > > this arena is not open for so many different creative ways to engage pvp … > > > > > > and this arena has absolutely zero value for teaching people without carrying tackle modules … > > > > > > Can someone explain me … > > > everybody talks about kiting ?? man kiting is not standing 50 km and keep shooting … > > > > > > kiting is holding the opponent at the edge of your point range and dont miss it … and it requires great amount of manuel piloting skills to execute it succesfully… because there no way AI orbit can prevent any experienced slingshotter to catch the target … > > > > > > by the way… how or why they need to slingshot there even ??? > > > > > > Seriously … > > the pilots in At and Open those pilots those people are already know the meta… They are top of the cream ! these arenas are controlled… none of them forced to warp to opponent 65 km ! > Competetive gameplay is kind of ensgame content … those people master it …! > > WhaT kind of mindset imply us and try to sell NUL Meta play style to us as competetive game play ??? > > only people who say ahh its awsome… i havent heard ANY of them has any idea about competetive game play and its specialities… therefor people who is clapping this idea also couldnt defend their ideas solid and be able to rationalise it up to now … All they do is keep repeating memorised sentences and when you squeeze and mentally challenge it… all they can say. : You are so that . you are so This and go ad hominem instead of stay on the subject … Max i heard is … : "it doesnt need to be explained " > just lol im speechless > > By putting rewards and to winners and list them in order to success DOESNT ENOUGH to make this theatre real challenge and proove ground > > And absoultely this is not a good way for new players to enter arena and meet with PVP that way and CALL this PVP… no DISRUPTOR … lol… no AB lol… shoot From 50 km and call this kiting … LOL > is that only me seing this ■■■■■■■ broken or what !! someone WAKE ME UP! ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/557 "2020-07-02T20:37:18Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/558 "2020-07-02T20:37:43Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/559 "2020-07-02T20:38:40Z")
Keep it on topic please. I’ve removed some posts. Please consider refreshing yourselves on the forum moderation policy: [https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/](https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/forum-moderation-policy-en/) ---
**Author:** ![Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nightfox_bloodraven/32/270767_2.png) [@Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nightfox_BloodRaven)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/560 "2020-07-02T20:58:23Z")
The problem of these abyssal PVE and PVP activity is that you cant get third partied, you know EXACTLY what you are facing… which is EXACTLY contrary to the sandbox of EVE… Where else do you get to PVE without people scanning you down and interrupting, where else in PVP do you know exactly how many ppl and how type of ships they can fly against u… Anyhow, time will tell. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/561 "2020-07-02T20:59:16Z")
So, now that we have some cleaning up done, what about we discuss the current iteration and ways to better it. The current form is clearly a way to test different combinations, formats, to see what works and what doesn’t. Judging by the kind of game in EVE we have I think it would be a mistake to encourage too small of a size for groups, outside of 1v1, 2v2 is too small, 3v3 is kinda okay, 5v5 should be the default, and is there the possibility that more than 5-people teams enter the Proving Grounds? Could it be possible to test 10v10? EVE being a corp and social based game, it would benefit from higher count teams compared to other games, 1v1, 5v5, 10v10 should be the formats imo. That and the possibility of limiting them to low-sec, this would throw a bone for those who would want those to interact more with the rest of the universe. That and avoiding the Jita spam. There are more things that can be suggested, like changing the spawning distances, or maybe adding a coalescing circle of doom to avoid stalemates. > [@Nightfox\_BloodRaven](#): > > The problem of these abyssal PVE and PVP activity is that you cant get third partied, you know EXACTLY what you are facing… It’s not a problem it’s a feature. ---
**Author:** ![Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nightfox_bloodraven/32/270767_2.png) [@Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nightfox_BloodRaven)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/562 "2020-07-02T21:00:49Z")
feature to you problem to the main underlying concept of the game…its a simple fix. Move the pvp sites to low and null only and make them scannable. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/563 "2020-07-02T21:07:08Z")
Oh please! You guys are so stuck up about this ‘muh sandbox’ thing. The real point of a sandbox is that everyone can play his or her way in it and build his or her playground. Plus if it was that much of a violation, what do you make of the Abyss existing for two years now without your sandbox exploding??.. Relax and don’t be so formulaic, great and innovative things can be done in this game. ---
**Author:** ![Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nightfox_bloodraven/32/270767_2.png) [@Nightfox\_BloodRaven](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nightfox_BloodRaven)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/564 "2020-07-02T21:08:46Z")
The real point of a sandbox is that everyone can play his or her way in it and build his or her playground… True but anyone should be able to come and knock it over… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/565 "2020-07-02T21:24:01Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Yes, because me sitting here in front of my browser … > … dedicating some time to it … You really need to differentiate between ‘dedication’ and ‘obsession’… ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/566 "2020-07-02T21:38:43Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > > [@Nightfox\_BloodRaven](#): > > > > The problem of these abyssal PVE and PVP activity is that you cant get third partied, you know EXACTLY what you are facing… > > It’s not a problem it’s a feature. It is not a feature of a game which is classified as Sandbox game > [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > Oh please! > > You guys are so stuck up about this ‘muh sandbox’ thing. Sanbox thing ??? you mean _ **thing** _ ?? you mean EVe online is not sandbox thing??? … this aspect is one of biggest speciality makes EVE far different from many others ones … and the reason many players go for it . Everytime they put a drop of poison into water… and you think its deluted in it… frog boiling… but no… it doesnt work like that my friend … Denial… of the nature of this game… thats whats happening here… ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/567 "2020-07-02T21:46:32Z")
> [@bluelysian](#): > > Sanbox thing ??? you mean _ **thing** _ ?? you mean EVe online is not sandbox thing?? No I do not mean that, and I saw your edit from what was a perfectly adequate comment to that bolded and opiniated mass of words that you have now. Only reason why I am responding to you is to let you know I saw your edit, you seem more interested in being outraged over what is happening and over those who don’t share your unrestrained love of open-world PvP. Now, when you are ready to have a calm and reasonable discussion, without invectives, and forcing everyone to have the exact same view as you on the game, and trying to do a psychlogical profile of the person you are talking to, I _might_ give you a try, _might_… Other than that, back to more constructive people. ---
**Author:** ![Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dantelion_shinoni/32/383315_2.png) [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dantelion_Shinoni)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/569 "2020-07-02T21:51:42Z")
@Brisc_Rubal Any indication on if they have considered bigger sizes than 5? 10v10 a possibility? ---
**Author:** ![bluelysian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bluelysian/32/423769_2.png) [@bluelysian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/bluelysian)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/572 "2020-07-02T22:12:39Z")
@Brisc_Rubal oh hello… since there was a question about these sites if will be possib. 10 v 10 … asked to you by @Dantelion_Shinoni Which is not take a place in CCP official announcement … And since we all know if CCP wants to reveal it … They reveal it right ? And i dont know how much CSM allowed to leak information about plans so we are waiting for your answer with curiosity … ---
**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/573 "2020-07-03T01:56:32Z")
You never know. It depends on how popular it is. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/574 "2020-07-03T02:13:21Z")
> [@Dantelion\_Shinoni](#): > > @Brisc_Rubal Any indication on if they have considered bigger sizes than 5? > > 10v10 a possibility? I wish I could answer this question, but I can’t, unfortunately. ---
**Author:** ![Gustav\_Mannfred](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gustav_mannfred/32/392828_2.png) [@Gustav\_Mannfred](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gustav_Mannfred)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/575 "2020-07-03T05:58:46Z")
nice! Really hope they let the old provings as they are, so we have both the provings in Abyssal sites AND the new filaments for the new Arena events, which are different. ---
**Author:** ![Alterus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alterus/32/213825_2.png) [@Alterus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alterus)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/576 "2020-07-03T06:39:04Z")
Hey CCP, if you’re concerned about not enough ships blowing up, how about un-nerfing highsec aggression? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=28)