# Proving of Kybernauts for Glorification in the Flow Unfolds **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [June 29, 2020, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073 "2020-06-29T13:03:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Synil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/synil/32/276766_2.png) [@Synil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Synil)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/102 "2020-06-29T18:24:56Z")
Hello personally i don’t have anything against instancied PvP i think it’s a really small part of the community who already do some abyss pvp and it’s not gonna kill World PvP in any way, But, the main problem for me is : does the implementation of instancied PvP and probably a “focus” on it in the near futur mean CCP don’t plan to “fix” or give some love to daily World PvP ? some month ago i’v seen CCP RIse talking about a rework of ESS (Encounter Surveillance System) after that another CCP dev confirmed that on reddit, but month after i’v haven’t seen anything either on any media or Hoboleak, and now there a complete rework of “Abyss PvP” = Instancied PvP instead of World PvP, i don’t say it’s bad/good thing we will see that on SISI or in a month, it’s always a good thing to have different form of PvP and even more if this PvP content is good, but i would love to see World PvP get some deserved love aswell soo, can you confirm CCP plan to do something about World PvP (Daily content) ? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/103 "2020-06-29T18:37:36Z")
i perceive a error in the narrative there no one does abyssal pvp not because is stanced but because you have to build a 50000000000000000000000000000000 trillion ship , to do PVE first , and if survive , risk it at the end only streamers and null bears have that kind of money , and null bears never 1x1 edit: and btw , this tournament will end in expensive fit parade to 😃 edit2: its a dream scenario , most not pvp people refuse to waste a slot on their ships with a point ---
**Author:** ![Belthazor4011](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/belthazor4011/32/502922_2.png) [@Belthazor4011](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Belthazor4011)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/104 "2020-06-29T18:44:38Z")
I mean, thats just untrue in many ways. I mean if you want to complain at least try to be semi right. You only have to do a T3 Abyssal to get there so the PVE part is very easy. And Ive seen many cheap fits destroy very expensive fits. So basically nothing of what you are saying is true. Also expensive fits on the ships that they will allow into these would just be silly. Making a bling Thorax is just dumb. If you get primaried no amount of bling will save you. Also PVE doesnt require a point, so yea they dont fit one. You blaming them for using logic now? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/105 "2020-06-29T18:45:54Z")
the cheapest ships i saw wining on this things are 700 milion phantasms but i can be wrong ---
**Author:** ![Belthazor4011](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/belthazor4011/32/502922_2.png) [@Belthazor4011](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Belthazor4011)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/106 "2020-06-29T18:47:45Z")
Plenty of wins are had by 200-300m HACs. I mean its for T2/Pirate cruisers, a Thorax wont do I will give you that much. but 200-300m is fine with me. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/107 "2020-06-29T18:48:46Z")
> [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](#): > > So in your world, a person cannot formulate on opinion on something before trying it out? How you also tried out all drugs to figure out which ones are good for you? > > A person can have an opinion on something based on the knowledge given at that moment. Obviously, an opinion can change. Seems like you think that peoples opinions cannot change once they’ve tried out the added feature. > > Some of the initial venting seems perfectly valid in my view. Most of the “venting” I’ve seen is complaining about things that have already been added in the past. But hey - you want to complain, go for it. Far be it from me to suggest folks not jump to conclusions before they’ve had a chance to try the content. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/108 "2020-06-29T18:51:58Z")
but but there a lot of cry about how they are "impossible’ to do with the resist nerf and now you are saying they are easy and saying there is a lot of wins with cheap t2 hacs… i have no experience with that i confess but i have a friend who does in a MEGA expensive gila and on youtube cheap fits are 700 million + drugs + implants and btw there is a site that monitor those wins and i forgot the link but at the time i looked at , the only thing there were expensive af ships but you are the specialist apparently, il concede edit: [https://abysra.com](https://abysra.com) found it ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/109 "2020-06-29T18:54:04Z")
> [@Sniper\_Bros15](#): > > It seems like you are replacing this “old” proving conduit with something no where even close to what it is currently. It’s a limited time event, stop whining. ---
**Author:** ![Sniper\_Bros15](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sniper_bros15/32/389487_2.png) [@Sniper\_Bros15](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sniper_Bros15)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/110 "2020-06-29T18:55:31Z")
No ones talking to u shush child. The removal of the old proving isnt a limited time event or it doesnt seem like it so your whole comment is pretty irrelevant ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/111 "2020-06-29T18:56:56Z")
> [@Sniper\_Bros15](#): > > it doesnt seem like it ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/1/61119c2d37b6135f3da6e025dd0d2e1e79d39904.png) I don’t care what things “seem like” to you. Please read. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 6:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/112 "2020-06-29T18:57:50Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > As soon as one team dominates they will all stop Qing and come to the forums for the next carebear whine: > > Matchmaking +10000 Another opportunity to say: careful what you wish for. SP and bling ships have never been more important in pvp than now. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/113 "2020-06-29T19:04:38Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > SP and bling ships have never been more important in pvp than now. It doesn’t take a ton of SP to max skills in a T1 cruiser. You want to bling your stuff out, that’s fine, but if you don’t know how to use it, you’re going to be a nice payday for somebody else. ---
**Author:** ![Sniper\_Bros15](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sniper_bros15/32/389487_2.png) [@Sniper\_Bros15](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sniper_Bros15)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/114 "2020-06-29T19:05:31Z")
The fact your commenting to stop whining in a place where people are supposed to express their opinions is sad…and you also please read my points still stand on why they wouldnt introduce this as its own separate content- Thanks 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/115 "2020-06-29T19:13:40Z")
I call it like it is, whining crybabies complaining. 🤷‍♀️ The rest of the garbage you mention was already discussed and addressed by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/116 "2020-06-29T19:14:32Z")
All else being equal, bling and SP wins. Forcing equality on the ‘else’ emphasises the effect of bling and SP. Yes or no? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/117 "2020-06-29T19:15:57Z")
there is skills to not just bling and sp ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/118 "2020-06-29T19:16:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > All else being equal, bling and SP wins. > > Forcing equality on the ‘else’ emphasises the effect of bling and SP. > > Yes or no? Sure - if “skill” is included in the “all else being equal.” But we both know that’s never true. Even good pilots make mistakes. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/119 "2020-06-29T19:16:24Z")
So…how do disconnects work for these matches or has CCP completely solved the abysal dc problems now? At least since we are now adding even more instanced activities for PvP with special rewards/loot under grand fanfare by CCP, the CSM, and many PvPers, there should be no problem doing the same for PvE content. Er, right? 🤔😉 ---
**Author:** ![William\_Chen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/william_chen/32/417721_2.png) [@William\_Chen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/William_Chen)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/120 "2020-06-29T19:20:22Z")
with all these added new events for pvp and pve and such, and I know there was a brand-new edencom ships which were kind of lackluster, are you guys thinking about adding more faction ships to angel cartel, SOE and Mordu’s legion, like I honestly would be happy with an “yes” and wait for the next 2 years lol just slap 3 cap size ship to them and call it good lol ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073/121 "2020-06-29T19:35:49Z")
Such a perfect way to lure Capsuleers into the arena, loot and plunder along with status, all glittering grandeur as the Triglavians record ship types and pilots tactics, only to use on New Eden itself. Death to all Kybers. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/proving-of-kybernauts-for-glorification-in-the-flow-unfolds/252073.md?page=7)