# PSA: Next expansion will turn low sec into null and high sec into low sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549 "2023-11-13T05:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Wesfahrn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wesfahrn/32/392292_2.png) [@Wesfahrn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wesfahrn)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 7:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/121 "2023-11-16T07:57:44Z")
I wonder what the numbers are up to And if i understand corectly there are 4-5 systems with mechanics for each pirate militia. But probably hundreds of people have joined to check it out so it will be a ■■■■■■■■■■■ but lets see. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/122 "2023-11-16T10:15:51Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > I’m not for it or against it, but I predict that if this impacts high sec mission runners and miners enough, they will do what they do when war-decced or during an incursion. > > They will log off and wait for it to be over. They won’t even move next door. > > CCP will see the logoffs, the same way they did for some other things they have tried which were attempts to make the game less safe and more interesting, such as blacking out local in null, and then they will retreat and do a patch to make sure that the corruption thing isn’t making carebears log off. > > I know people wish that high sec people would just fleet up and fight. They wish that the botting behavior in high sec would be wiped out from the game completely. > > But a lot of people are in high sec specifically because they enjoy the space game atmosphere and the complicated mechanics and fantasy of it all, but they don’t have time to participate in a corp properly. Some of them are fantasizing about being in a sci-fi world like it is a single player game, and when they get on comms with a corp telling stupid sex jokes or saying racist things, they lose their immersion and it ruins the game from their perspective. > > Those people will just log off. They won’t ever join a corp or start answering a call to arms. These are people who have 15 mins to a couple of hours max every few days to play. > > It’s not most of the toons in high sec, but you won’t see either the bots or the high sec people with no time seeking immersion joining in any FW or PVP. They will just disappear and CCP will have to look at P&L and make new choices. > > I once tried living in a high sec based corp after having lived in null, just to have friends online while there. As soon as anything happened - we had an incursion - then a war dec - they all logged off and went to play a different game. They were still on comms with each other, but they were asking me how the war dec was going. I spent the incursion doing exploration in null sec and made a fortune. Tried to get them to come with me. “No thanks.” During the war dec, I tried to teach them to fight back and how to make gate and station pings, fit ships properly. Only one of them was up for it. The rest logged off. > > Modifying mechanics to try to somehow get these people to jump into the pool and swim properly instead of just sunbathing will never work. They come here to sunbathe. They don’t want to swim. Nothing will lure them in to play that way. It’s just not who they are. > > Stop trying to make high sec pvpers happen. It’s not going to happen. Even if I regret to agree with this, It’s the hard truth. A lot of people log into the game for a few hours per week just to chill, and not have to deal with any stressful situation “THAT MUST BE DEALT WITH” or else, lose your system and your somewhat stress-free gameplay… There should always be a static “semi-safe” space in a game like Eve to cater to those people, as they make for a bulk of the game’s demographic. EvE is not just about PvP (despite the Everyone vs Everyone title) ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/123 "2023-11-16T10:25:48Z")
Imo, they should offer the same mechanic but in revese corruption, ie: _Lawful corps being able to “corrupt” low-nullsec into highsec_ … ! Imagine creating a highsec island smack in the middle of a nullsec block … Oh, how that would piss A LOT of people off no doubt … 🤣 So, of course, allowing high-sec corruption instead BY nullsec blocks, much more politically correct … 🤷‍♂️ ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/124 "2023-11-16T10:36:16Z")
So in that scenario, all the capital ships couldn’t operate - right? 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/125 "2023-11-16T10:37:33Z")
hahahahahaha Yeah Imagine that … ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/126 "2023-11-16T10:38:27Z")
Ganking is a casual and relaxing High Sec activity. > **[Guybertini | Character](https://zkillboard.com/character/92655600/)** > > Guybertini: 9,975 ships destroyed and 1,681 ships lost. There is no need to be a clueless Bot-Aspirant in order to enjoy EVEs magnificent casual gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/127 "2023-11-16T11:06:46Z")
I got two kill rights off him earlier in his career…when he twice failed to gank me. ---
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/128 "2023-11-16T18:26:35Z")
The sky falls, the end is nigh! My one HS system will not be safe anymore! The game is dead! You carebears make me sick. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/129 "2023-11-16T18:55:13Z")
Awww. ---
**Author:** ![Cypherous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cypherous/32/499883_2.png) [@Cypherous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cypherous)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 8:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/130 "2023-11-16T20:43:15Z")
> [@Erik\_Doshu](#): > > A lot of people log into the game for a few hours per week just to chill, and not have to deal with any stressful situation “THAT MUST BE DEALT WITH” or else, lose your system and your somewhat stress-free gameplay… Its fine the loss is only temporary, this isn’t like the trig invasions where the sec drop is permanent ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/131 "2023-11-16T21:37:31Z")
High sec is a toilet with miners/whiners and various other degenerates floating around in it. We need to do away with it completely. ---
**Author:** ![Anabella\_Rella](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anabella_rella/32/515671_2.png) [@Anabella\_Rella](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anabella_Rella)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/132 "2023-11-17T02:10:55Z")
Right. Let’s piss off a decent-sized chunk of the already reduced player population and turn a niche game into an even more niche game. Thankfully (hopefully) the bosses at CCP have more sense than this. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/133 "2023-11-17T02:11:43Z")
> [@Azazod](#): > > High sec is a toilet with miners/whiners and various other degenerates floating around in it. We need to do away with it completely. Oh, I think there are plenty of those in a certain null-sec corporation… ---
**Author:** ![Devon\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/devon_stone/32/385010_2.png) [@Devon\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Devon_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/134 "2023-11-17T02:39:27Z")
> [@Phaade](#): > > The sky falls, the end is nigh! > > My one HS system will not be safe anymore! The game is dead! > > You carebears make me sick. So sweep through and blow up all their mining barges. They pop easily. ---
**Author:** ![Devon\_Stone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/devon_stone/32/385010_2.png) [@Devon\_Stone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Devon_Stone)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/135 "2023-11-17T02:54:41Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > Those people will just log off. They won’t ever join a corp or start answering a call to arms. These are people who have 15 mins to a couple of hours max every few days to play. I joined a corp, something I haven’t done in many years, I normally just play 1 or 2 months then off for 1 - 3+ years. The lamer running the alliance discord they use for fleet up decided to “dictate” everyone use voice activated comms. I don’t live in a bubble, and would never, have never done voice activated comms. I thought about it for a few days didn’t have time to play anyway, and the answer to it was always the same. Leave. ---
**Author:** ![Misanthra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/misanthra/32/391383_2.png) [@Misanthra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Misanthra)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/136 "2023-11-17T03:33:27Z")
And its not like this speedy in any way. They get ample chance to stem the tide. Or their fw can. Flosewin was going slow before the parties arrived. Even no resistance this stuff goes slow. only a handful of sites in Flosewin to work. 100+ in local…these are hammered out quick. Corruption still goes slow. Why I wished more did out of empire stuff. Systems go to crap…find another. Flosewin picked up today with amarr/min mil making an appearance in numbers. and then neuts started putting phoenixes in the sites. Okay, nothing to kill dreads in militia at the time…move to where I can do something. ---
**Author:** ![Erik\_Doshu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erik_doshu/32/369845_2.png) [@Erik\_Doshu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erik_Doshu)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/137 "2023-11-17T13:37:46Z")
> [@Azazod](#): > > High sec is a toilet with miners/whiners and various other degenerates floating around in it. We need to do away with it completely. Nullsec is a toilet with miners/whiners and various other degenerates floating around in it. We need to do away with it completely. Works both ways honey. Get bent. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/138 "2023-11-17T14:20:36Z")
> [@Anabella\_Rella](#): > > Let’s piss off a decent-sized chunk of the already reduced player population and turn a niche game into an even more niche game. Ah…those good old psychic powers by which anyone with a gripe in Eve always knows exactly what ‘the majority’ of players think, and of course that majority always agree with them. ---
**Author:** ![Azazod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azazod/32/336190_2.png) [@Azazod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Azazod)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 11:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/139 "2023-11-17T23:26:53Z")
It seems I hit a nerve. Flush thyself. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/140 "2023-11-17T23:44:27Z")
> [@Bonnie\_Peebles](#): > > Can a system security status change now? It’s happened before… > [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](#): > > EVEs magnificent casual gameplay. Only small minded people make it their goal in life to bring misery to others. Try lifting people up for a change, you might actually enjoy it… > [@Phaade](#): > > You carebears make me sick. “Carebears” make up the bulk of this game and contribute to 90% of the prosperity. Getting off ganking a Venture is more akin to a mental disorder than a “playstyle”. > [@Azazod](#): > > High sec is a toilet It’s so easy to avoid. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > exactly what ‘the majority’ of players think You certainly don’t represent the “majority of players”. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549.md?page=7)