# PSA: Next expansion will turn low sec into null and high sec into low sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549 "2023-11-13T05:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Phaade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phaade/32/390475_2.png) [@Phaade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phaade)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/141 "2023-11-18T04:20:12Z")
No they dont ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 12:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/142 "2023-11-18T12:08:25Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > You certainly don’t represent the “majority of players”. The majority of players undock…which is something there is zero evidence you have ever done. Strange how that doesn’t seem to stop you spouting forth on activities for which there is absolutely no evidence you have ever been involved in. ---
**Author:** ![Spacetramp\_Drago](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/spacetramp_drago/32/480922_2.png) [@Spacetramp\_Drago](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Spacetramp_Drago)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 1:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/143 "2023-11-18T13:31:54Z")
There’s probably not much evidence of me undocking, yet I spent an hour ratting and salvaging today. Just because players don’t lose ships every week/month doesn’t mean they don’t play, they just play smarter and safer 🙂 Nor do any players have to prove a thing to you. It seems that you’re just trying to figure out where you stand on the PVP side of things, and I bet it’s pretty far down in the grand scheme of things. So how about you just play your game and we’ll play how we PAY to play? ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/144 "2023-11-18T13:46:43Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Just because players don’t lose ships every week/month doesn’t mean they don’t play, they just play smarter and safer 🙂 You do realize that [disagreeing is ignorant](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/disagreeing-is-ignorance/427708) Please stop disagreeing. It’s ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/145 "2023-11-18T15:50:28Z")
> [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > There’s probably not much evidence of me undocking But there is…8 killboard records, and its worth pointing out that these days even just doing level 2 security missions gets you guaranteed killboard records. > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Just because players don’t lose ships every week/month doesn’t mean they don’t play, they just play smarter and safer But I was responding to someone who comes on as if the fount of all knowledge on PvP/PvE…yet they have zero killboard and their account is barely 5 days old. And it is a _consistent pattern_ here. Forum warriors who have picked up the entirety of Eve in 5 days…or who joined Eve some time ago and have a killboard but not a single record for 6 or 7 years. And of course, a lot of these people are likely alts…who are hiding their ‘true’ account, which nobody would do if it was anything to be proud of. > [@Spacetramp\_Drago](#): > > Nor do any players have to prove a thing to you. Well I’m sorry but they do. If someone wants to lecture me on PvP / PvE…I demand some evidence that they have _ever_ actually done any themselves ! That is not an unreasonable demand. ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Diphosphan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frank_diphosphan/32/389408_2.png) [@Frank\_Diphosphan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frank_Diphosphan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/146 "2023-11-18T16:35:51Z")
“level 2 security missions gets you guaranteed killboard records” Thats simply bs ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/147 "2023-11-18T20:53:47Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > The majority of players undock…which is something there is zero evidence you have ever done. You seem upset. Have you ever heard of a forum alt? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/148 "2023-11-18T23:09:37Z")
> [@Frank\_Diphosphan](#): > > Thats simply bs Well that just shows you’ve never done a mission…as there are some where your ship is automatically destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2023, 11:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/149 "2023-11-18T23:12:55Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > Have you ever heard of a forum alt? Yes, people use them to pretend they have experience nobody can check up on 🙂 Why do you _need_ a forum alt ? Something to hide ? Or are you just cycling through them hoping everyone thinks its a new person expressing the exact same opinion ( coincidentally ) as all the other forum alts…lol. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/150 "2023-11-19T15:20:05Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Yes, people use them to pretend they have experience Of course you’re right. **I’ve never been anywhere or done anything.** ![Screenshot 2023-11-19 091216](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/d/0/5/d0577a77e68be0b56b9eb0f5fb3fff7e1edf357f.png) ![Soldier](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/6/2/a626b33d6de6fbf8112548ab6eab685a7bb73caf.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/151 "2023-11-19T16:24:50Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > Of course you’re right. **I’ve never been anywhere or done anything.** In the character you are posting on, you haven’t. ---
**Author:** ![Ronto\_Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronto_crow/32/395223_2.png) [@Ronto\_Crow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronto_Crow)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/152 "2023-11-19T16:45:03Z")
Is CCP working itself out of a job? I remember when the blackout went into effect, how many players quit, turning null into WH space how did that work out (huge blunder), and never came back. When a player leaves there is the risk they will move on and become interested in a game that doesn’t force them into a playstyle they don’t like. EVE used to be a game you can choose your path, now it’s the path that CCP wants you to take (control freak much). This would simply result in the entire game becoming LS/NS and half the playerbase quitting the game. a significant number of people never leave high-sec. Adding systems that lets highsec be gatecamped with smartbombs will simply result in the PvP players degrading the system status at the expense of the people who want to avoid PvP, but the PvP players will say “They can fight for the empire” but the whole point is they don’t want to PvP, and where are the rewards (new ships for the pirates) they don’t want to be forced to PvP, (other than an ocasional gate camp) and if you force a playstyle on people, they quit without a word because it’s no longer the game they want to play. Oh but there will be the .8 systems that you won’t be able to get to because they are surrounded by insta pop gates, and people playing EVE for the very first time. I agree with a lot of what has been said, and look are any systems being suppressed, let me check, never mind don’t need to. This reminds me of cellphone carriers where it’s beneficial to leave, and join a new one because the new one has better offers, and the old one doesn’t care because you have been a member why should you get anything you have only been a dedicated customer forever screw you. Just keep giving us your money, and shut up. But wait there is more, redistribution (things will get better) to all the major alliances, and corps in null. never happend bigger rocks more waste. “You don’t have to play if you don’t want to” _Exactly what’s going through many minds_ Edited 11/19/23 2:36pm (PST time) the propaganda was a little strong, The goal is get players worked up as much as possible. Not going to lie I like propaganda. P.S, CCP please return Skarkon back to Molden Heath ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/153 "2023-11-19T16:57:44Z")
That’s not what you said and implied. But, whatever makes you sleep well at night. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/154 "2023-11-19T17:04:16Z")
> [@Ronto\_Crow](#): > > When a player leaves there is the risk they will move on and become interested in a game that doesn’t force them into a playstyle they don’t like. EVE used to be a game you can choose your path, now it’s the path that CCP wants you to take (control freak much). This would simply result in the entire game becoming LS/NS and half the playerbase quitting the game. a significant number of people never leave high-sec. Adding systems that lets highsec be gatecamped with smartbombs will simply result in the PvP players degrading the system status at the expense of the people who want to avoid PvP, but the PvP players will say “They can fight for the empire” but the whole point is they don’t want to PvP, But in a sense your argument is somewhat self-contradictory…even though I agree with some of the sentiment… CCP’s control of the game is via PvE content, which to all extents and purposes is the only thing countering the stagnant nature of nullsec. So you can’t simultaneously decry this ever increasing CCP content and then champion the very people who ‘want to avoid PvP’ and just do the PvE content. To my mind there has to be a _counter_ to the ever more increased amount of PvE, and if its not going to come from the stagnant blocs incurring onto ‘safe’ space of their own accord then the only option is to make the safe space less safe. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/155 "2023-11-19T17:08:58Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > CCP’s control of the game is via PvE content, which to all extents and purposes is the only thing countering the stagnant nature of nullsec. What? CCP controls EVERY ASPECT of the game’s “content”. Why would you try to limit their involvement to “PvE”? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/156 "2023-11-19T17:10:55Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > That’s not what you said and implied. What I ‘implied’ was that the _honest_ people come on as whatever ‘main’ they have…and not as an endless succession of 5 day old ‘noobs’. See, a 5 day old ‘noob’ can just slink off and never be heard from again, or be replaced by another 5 day old noob, if they are wrong about anything, huh, whereas someone posting on their main is having the honesty to stand their ground. ---
**Author:** ![Ronto\_Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronto_crow/32/395223_2.png) [@Ronto\_Crow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronto_Crow)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/157 "2023-11-19T17:15:59Z")
Exactly it was about that when I did some moon mining yesterday, and the estamate in ore hold was 10M from a real estate agent, I haven’t tried to sell the ore because I don’t sell it I like to keep it for myself because i’m greedy like that. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/158 "2023-11-19T17:19:12Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > What? CCP controls EVERY ASPECT of the game’s “content”. Why would you try to limit their involvement to “PvE”? No that’s nonsense. CCP control whether the 4 main races, or any of the pirate or other PvE factions can be over-run or wiped out. Even the parameters pertaining to whether individual systems get over-run are controlled by CCP. It’s not like CCP are ever going to allow players to wipe out the Caldaris, for example…even if one or two systems can be over-run. But CCP don’t control whether nullsec alliance A over-runs and wipes out nullsec bloc B, or whether some highsec alliance moves into nullsec, and so on. At least I would hope not ! ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 9:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/159 "2023-11-19T21:45:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > No that’s nonsense. CCP makes all the rules, controls the market and security of each system. Not to mention “Doling out punishment” to actual players. Yet, you don’t think they control the game? > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > _honest_ people come on as whatever ‘main’ they have… There coundn’t possibly be another explaination. Everything MUST fit into your narrative. _Who ever said that there’s only one God?_ 🔱 ---
**Author:** ![Misanthra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/misanthra/32/391383_2.png) [@Misanthra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Misanthra)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2023, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/160 "2023-11-19T23:56:45Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > There coundn’t possibly be another explaination. Everything MUST fit into your narrative. Yep. I use this char to post. My combat main who has seen the eve world out of empire is not aacount active, yet. I could post on my angel militia…and then get “post on main” since the 1 year old char can share stories about seeing delve in 2010. In short…I can’t win here lol. Lowby sent to angels since I cba to fix my standing on this char. When in flose area…I do sites and pvp as it comes up. Not spam standings fleets. 9 years of killing angels I just said screw that lol. Not really hiding much. I have many deaths on that char. I am rusty as hell at this game. I am breaking many eggs. At some point I hope to make a damned omelette lol. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549.md?page=8)