# PSA: Next expansion will turn low sec into null and high sec into low sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2023, 5:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549 "2023-11-13T05:03:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/161 "2023-11-20T01:07:27Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > There coundn’t possibly be another explaination. No, there couldn’t. If you are expressing an opinion that is allegedly based on 20 years in the game…how about coming on using that character that has 20 years in the game, rather than coming on as a 5 day old noob. Creating noob forum alts doesn’t ‘bind’ one to any position…so people use them to argue throw away stances and then disappear. > [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > Yet, you don’t think they control the game They don’t control which of my chars I log in, or where they go, what they do there or what happens on the way, or what ships and skills I train for or buy or what corp I play for. ---
**Author:** ![Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mobana_sayar_alar/32/394061_2.png) [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mobana_Sayar_Alar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/162 "2023-11-20T01:09:33Z")
You have it all figured out. What’s next for you? ---
**Author:** ![Ronto\_Crow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ronto_crow/32/395223_2.png) [@Ronto\_Crow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ronto_Crow)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/163 "2023-11-20T01:14:03Z")
@Altara_Zemara you missed the point The PVE was countered by closing down known systems to pochven, and championion for players staying where ever they want just don’t push your doctrine on me, and I’m fine with it keep your EVE religion to yourself (not specifically talking to you just anyone looking down on someone for choosing to not stray away from hisec) especially if you are PVP focused they can get off their lazy butts and PVP each others gatecamps. The standings from choosing between trigs and edencom ended up with a lot of assets getting lost to the trigs and edencom with a lot of folks. So closing down systems to potchven made less choke points and more gatecamp kills wich is not PVE. This is all under the assumption that the new player base isn’t ever changing which it is, the major question of a newbro is how do I make good isk. When for years since I started in late 2015 all that was pushed in rookie chat was why do you want to go to lowsec, don’t go there it’s to dangerous you will lose your shi_p. The person that I am lived in lowsec moldent heath for two years just because cats in rookie chat advised against it lost my shi_ps to pirates Gnosis, first day then gila, then gila, then megathron before alpha could fly BS I wasn’t whinning and crying, but you know who was the greedy jaba the hut lookin pvp pirates. It wasn’t enough it’s never enough for these freeloaders. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/164 "2023-11-20T01:40:48Z")
> [@Mobana\_Sayar\_Alar](#): > > What’s next for you? For Altara, more of the same. But I have up and coming new chars in which I will do my own thing. I’d actually like to take advantage of all these new expansion changes. ---
**Author:** ![WhamyKablamy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whamykablamy/32/386793_2.png) [@WhamyKablamy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WhamyKablamy)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/165 "2023-11-20T13:54:46Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Well that just shows you’ve never done a mission…as there are some where your ship is automatically destroyed. Things only appear on zkillboard if you’ve either posted them yourself or you’ve given zkillboard access to automatically post them. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/new_order_enforcer/32/387867_2.png) [@New\_Order\_Enforcer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/New_Order_Enforcer)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/166 "2023-11-20T14:02:06Z")
> [@Ronto\_Crow](#): > > P.S, CCP please return Skarkon back to Molden Heath Bye! o/ ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/167 "2023-11-20T14:43:42Z")
Highsec between empires should have been isolated by low or null sec from the very start anyway. It is not an obstruction. It is an opportunity. If you can’t get around that, just stay and mine, rat and trade in the empire you stage from. Whats the problem? Prices on market? Well prices in minor tradehubs are crap especially because it is so easy to get to and from Jita. If you are high-sec “PVE only” player I see what else can be a problem for you if there is no safe route between Amarr and Jita. If you are a hauler and move stuff between Amarr and Jita constantly, then if you can’t think of a way how to get around it, then I say that you being stuck in highsec for so long stopped you from actually learning the game and you should take it as an opportunity to re-learn it. Or maybe just trade in the Amarr instead of buying all cheap local production and move it to Jita? Anyway, if you absolutely cannot deal with it and you believe that CCP is killing the EVE by doing this, then vote with your wallet! And if you do that, can I have your stuff and skillpoints? ---
**Author:** ![Vizkomaru\_Togashi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vizkomaru_togashi/32/464153_2.png) [@Vizkomaru\_Togashi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vizkomaru_Togashi)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 12:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/168 "2023-11-22T00:59:33Z")
Sorry, I didn’t read the whole mechanic explanation, but: Corrupted systems in high sec have a neon sign beware the corruption! to whoever gets nearby, similar to incursions; so if you don’t want to risk to get camped, avoid corrupted systems …? As long as I’m aware, the system works the same as low-sec gate camps in FW systems, except it’s in systems that get corrupted. Besides, popping into a corrupted system instantly makes you a target for everyone, so it’s more than likely you will have to fight your way in and out anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Misanthra](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/misanthra/32/391383_2.png) [@Misanthra](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Misanthra)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2023, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/169 "2023-11-22T01:33:34Z")
psa to the psa…the timer for vard comes up today’s DT reset. So be wary around amamake (it be the more known system to some) area. I’d put rens in there since like 3/4 jumps away when this spills over. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 2:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/170 "2023-11-28T02:09:08Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > hiding their ‘true’ account, which nobody would do if it was anything to be proud of. I hide my account so you assholes won’t follow me home and stalk me. Granted my billboard hasn’t been interesting since I took up high sec care eating, but idgaf. ---
**Author:** ![Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/doctor_nijushiho/32/385189_2.png) [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Doctor_Nijushiho)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/171 "2023-11-28T02:11:43Z")
> [@Vokan\_Narkar](#): > > Or maybe just trade in the Amarr instead of buying all cheap local production and move it to Jita? Amarr has higher prices than Jita. The problem is that things sell more slowly in Amarr and certain things are not even available there. The best shopping and selling is in Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/172 "2023-11-28T02:35:04Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > The best shopping and selling is in Jita. Basically. Since short on time with the new FOB shorter times I bit the bullet and paid even rens pricing for resupplies. I’d gather amarr is not better off than rens. NGL…I will be putting in some au’s on the hauler near jita to get crap for the next next fight. Some non jita markets have sellers who don’t even hide the gouge. One dude was charging t2 med or even large rig prices for a t1 small resist rig. I wondered if that worked to pull in suckers as I removed it from buy all for ship/fit. ---
**Author:** ![Eldstokkr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/eldstokkr/32/361029_2.png) [@Eldstokkr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Eldstokkr)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 5:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/173 "2023-11-28T05:21:32Z")
> [@Doctor\_Nijushiho](#): > > I hide my account so you assholes won’t follow me home and stalk me. Granted my billboard hasn’t been interesting since I took up high sec care eating, but idgaf. Do not be afraid. In all the Prophet’s time here, he has never had someone load some antimatter and try to kill him due to his words here. Even if they said they would. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [November 28, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/174 "2023-11-28T15:31:02Z")
> [@Ronto\_Crow](#): > > you missed the point No I was making a completely different point. If Eve is a ‘sandbox’ then the players should be deciding the content. ---
**Author:** ![Exilewanted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/exilewanted/32/394484_2.png) [@Exilewanted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Exilewanted)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2023, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/175 "2023-12-09T16:49:21Z")
Only someone would say that who has no idea how Industry works and what needed for ships to build. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 3:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/177 "2023-12-10T03:54:01Z")
Also doesn’t seem to know that those are usually run by pvp’ers. Min mil did a great job saving dammalin. Kind of needed to. Moon goo mining must be saved. No judging there…I have more weeks saving moon goo pos’s from older 0.0 SoV days than I’d like to think about. And ccp fixed a few systems too. Hek got jacked up to even now .8. It wasn’t carebears moon mining there. It at most be the alts of pvp’ers lol. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2023, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/178 "2023-12-10T23:44:52Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Well, Eve definitely isn’t dead… > > It’s just kicking and screaming while CCP hammers in the last few nails into it’s coffin lid… Everyone, let’s have a round of applause! DMC here just managed to express a thought in something less than a 5 paragraph essay. I’m impressed. We should all be proud of him. \<3 ---
**Author:** ![Yasminka\_Duchovnavik](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yasminka_duchovnavik/32/397398_2.png) [@Yasminka\_Duchovnavik](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yasminka_Duchovnavik)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/179 "2023-12-12T09:19:59Z")
I think it is interested how none of you realize that 80% of all industry in EvE is done in Highsec… By the Carebears you do not like and consistently complain about. What happens when there is no market? You willing to pay 2 billion for a frigate, that you can’t buy because it gets blapped undocking? Or the 90% reduction to minerals and building materials on the market? When you yourself can;t build anything, buy anything, or make anything because there is someone ready to blapp you every time you undock. You see unlike Null you can not own Low or High. There is a reason NPC Null is generally empty, and Low is Generally empty. Because in a space where you can’t effectively stop anyone from entering or docking, You also can not defend the space effectively. Meaning highsec will turn into an anrachic slug fest where the only ships people will fly will be crusiers and frigates, maybe even the noob ships because they are free. You really think players are going to stick around for that? There are only 10k maybe 15k actuall players left. What happens when the 7500ish Highseccers leave the game? Eve is too toxic and screwed up as it is. ---
**Author:** ![Hyrja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hyrja/32/412180_2.png) [@Hyrja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hyrja)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/180 "2023-12-13T02:04:22Z")
Industry will be fine. The stage 5 lasts a short time and seems to be getting shorter. Angels for last run claimed that around DT Saturday night my time. I had IRL go to crap, as always it seems, so I thought I’d have time to enjoy it Sunday night my tz. It was over. I had to wait for FOB move to amarr to pull my LP rewards even. Angels only hi sec fun was abudban. A short time. I can use that as a staging system. MIners have bigger issues there. they have the safety inspired Hek miners associaition or some name like that. They don’t jsut stay in Hek. This week angels may get to mess with structures near amarr. okay…time to see if stage 5 can beat out reinforcement timers. and if enough say YES! I want to bash. NGL…on my return I chose FW to avoid bash. I have months, literally hours a day to sum up to actual months, pressing F1 on a structure. you see my first home was a low grade space poor alliance in 2009. we all have to start somewhere lol. I know just how thrilling a structure bash is with little to no dread support. The answer is it sucks massive butt. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 2:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/psa-next-expansion-will-turn-low-sec-into-null-and-high-sec-into-low-sec/427549/181 "2024-03-12T02:04:48Z")
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