# Punish Pirates in high sec **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec\ **Created:** [February 13, 2022, 10:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712 "2022-02-13T10:21:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/81 "2022-02-14T13:58:51Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Again, there are multiple guides on how not to get gsnked on these forums. I have posted advice that has kept me from getting ganked multiple times… and yet these anti-ganking thread keep appearing. Indeed, but there is never any 100% guarantee of not getting ganked. I’ve made hundreds of trips transporting stuff from Dodixie to outlying systems and not been ganked yet as I have a pretty good system for doing it ( I even rename my ship at the station so as to confuse )…but no system is foolproof. The issue is not _whether_ I will get ganked one day while doing this…I most certainly will. The issue is whether I’ll have made enough profit to cover the loss, and I’ve already done so many times over. So, gankers…gank away. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/82 "2022-02-14T14:02:30Z")
Having instant docks/undocks help as well as some of those transport ganking folks like to hang off the station. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/83 "2022-02-14T14:04:56Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > All that collaboration leads to people getting ‘kills’ when in fact they only partook in 2% of the kill. Given that the fleet commander can warp the entire fleet around…all the ganker actually has to do is lock on a target that wont fire back and hit F1. Demonstrating the compound effectiveness of contribution-ism is not a good argument against it. playing EVE [exetero victus exemplum] solo is plying the game on hard mode. Which is why I choose to play the game solo - most of the time. Your argument would be better served if you stated that gank victims were not given informed consent. It is assumed. ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/84 "2022-02-14T14:10:09Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > But I also acknowledge their chosen style of gameplay is just as valid as mine. Sure…I’m simply pointing out that ganking is the _only_ ‘chosen playstyle’ that involves directly interfering with other people’s ‘chosen playstyle’. Somehow I find the whole expression ‘chosen style of gameplay’ a little dishonest…it’s not exactly a level playing field of ‘chosen styles’. It’s not ganking that I mind…its all the BS that so often gets spouted to hide its true nature. Ganking is fine…but gankers themselves are so often full of doggy doo. ---
**Author:** ![Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/paliphany_bradbury/32/441256_2.png) [@Paliphany\_Bradbury](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Paliphany_Bradbury)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/85 "2022-02-14T14:25:20Z")
> [@Taylor\_Hartz](#): > > For all of you who say this is just apart of the game and I should just deal with it, I whole heartedly disagree with you. High sec Pirates and associated ganking should NOT be a thing in this game. You need to work on seeing ‘big pictures’, and I say this as a one year old HS miner/industrialist. There would be no learning how to play in other areas of EVE in HS without the criminal element. Sales would drop to zero. I mean who would even bother to tank a mining ship? Then once they ‘learned’ in HS they’d move out to another area and get blown to bits right out the gate. Over, and Over, and Over again. Everything they ‘learned’ in HS would have to be re-learned and even more would never leave HS. The best parts of EVE (Which btw I think I still need 1-2 years of ‘learning’ for) would be effectively unattainable as there would be no gradual path to the more complicated and strategic aspects of the universe. This game has awesome depths and even after a year I know I’m still just learning to swim in the shallow end of the pool. Just my humble opinion [Addendum: All that being said it does seem the freedom of movement (or tethering) by characters with especially low sec status cuts in to any storyline or risk/reward mechanic pretty adversely] ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/86 "2022-02-14T14:35:42Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Your argument would be better served if you stated that gank victims were not given informed consent. > It is assumed. I think what really happens ( and you can clearly read it between the lines in forums and local chat in Eve ) is that deep down a lot of gankers _don’t_ really feel happy with ganking…there was even an entire thread here a few years back where a long established ganker admitted just that…so they have to ‘justify’ it with tales of ‘AFK miners’, ‘Lazy haulers’, ‘calm down miners’ and so on that diminish the victim to the point of worthlessness. And of course the ganker can then pretend that rather than thieving they are actually doing the world a favour. ---
**Author:** ![Lennox\_Dantes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lennox_dantes/32/376609_2.png) [@Lennox\_Dantes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lennox_Dantes)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/87 "2022-02-14T14:40:59Z")
Smells of QUEEF in here ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/88 "2022-02-14T14:45:08Z")
> [@Lennox\_Dantes](#): > > QUEEF [![]( " - YouTube") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTtCHfhtIzQ) ---
**Author:** ![Cilla\_Cybin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cilla_cybin/32/292206_2.png) [@Cilla\_Cybin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cilla_Cybin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/89 "2022-02-14T15:01:23Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Citation required. Like I’m ever going to get a citation for ‘AFK Miners’ or whatever Stanford Research Institute remote viewing program established someone was watching cat videos while hauling freight ? ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Offensive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dr_offensive/32/401971_2.png) [@Dr\_Offensive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dr_Offensive)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/90 "2022-02-14T17:03:19Z")
Still looking on zkillboard for the afternoon where 800 ships got ganked. Or to put it another way, an afternoon is 4 hrs, so thats 3.3 GPM (ganks per minute) Can’t … seem to … find it anywhere. Edit - My mistake an afternoon is officially 6 hours, that takes it down to 2.2 GPM so thats only one every ~30 seconds, much more reasonable ! ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/91 "2022-02-14T17:35:02Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > You could equally argue that ganking encourages mediocrity. All that collaboration leads to people getting ‘kills’ when in fact they only partook in 2% of the kill. Given that the fleet commander can warp the entire fleet around…all the ganker actually has to do is lock on a target that wont fire back and hit F1. > > Somehow this always gets presented here as if it were a ‘skill’ on par with climbing Everest. Null-sec fleet warfare (where you’re nothing but a single blip on kill mails that have hundreds of parties on them) is _exactly_ the same thing, and it’s often touted as the highest form of “skilled” and “honorable” PvP to which a player can aspire. Usually by players who don’t do a whole lot, if any, of PvP themselves, though. > [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > there was even an entire thread here a few years back where a long established ganker admitted just that…so they have to ‘justify’ it with tales of ‘AFK miners’, ‘Lazy haulers’, ‘calm down miners’ and so on that diminish the victim to the point of worthlessness. I thought you said that you were a new player, Cilla? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/92 "2022-02-14T17:37:31Z")
> For all of you who say this is just apart [sic] of the game and I should just deal with it, I whole heartedly disagree with you. High sec Pirates and associated ganking should NOT be a thing in this game. It’s a thing. It’s a supported thing. It’s an expected thing. It’s a mitigatable thing. –Gadget understands she plays in a dystopian universe ---
**Author:** ![L\_Amour](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/l_amour/32/305482_2.png) [@L\_Amour](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/L_Amour)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/93 "2022-02-14T17:37:47Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > …that deep down a lot of gankers _don’t_ really feel happy with ganking… _You_ aren’t happy with ganking… just because one guy who professed to be a ganker got bored with it and found an excuse to quit ganking doesn’t mean that the majority of gankers have second thoughts about blowing up a ship. You need to come back to reality, the reality that there is a game called EVE and that it’s primarily a PvP game with some PvE elements and that Piracy is a legitimate career in New Eden, whether you like it or not, and that CCP will not forbid ganks no matter how hard you cry in these forum. Learn how to EVE, mkay?gud ---
**Author:** ![Lennox\_Dantes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lennox_dantes/32/376609_2.png) [@Lennox\_Dantes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lennox_Dantes)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/94 "2022-02-14T18:26:27Z")
So when people investigate a game, then make a choice to sign up for it… then hop on the forums and demand developers change the game into something it isn’t… interesting mentality. ---
**Author:** ![Arumi\_Liz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arumi_liz/32/276823_2.png) [@Arumi\_Liz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arumi_Liz)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 6:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/95 "2022-02-14T18:44:41Z")
At least you didn’t disagree on the idea. ---
**Author:** ![Phelan\_Kheldian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phelan_kheldian/32/450826_2.png) [@Phelan\_Kheldian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phelan_Kheldian)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/96 "2022-02-14T19:14:23Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > Sure…I’m simply pointing out that ganking is the _only_ ‘chosen playstyle’ that involves directly interfering with other people’s ‘chosen playstyle’. Categorically incorrect. Go do exploration in J-space, people hunt explorers which means rhey are directly interferring in other people’s chosen playstyle. Same thing for hunting miners and ratters in low sec or null sec… or J-space. Everyone has their preferred playstyle interferred with. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/97 "2022-02-14T19:26:18Z")
> [@Cilla\_Cybin](#): > > I think what really happens ( and you can clearly read it between the lines in forums and local chat in Eve ) is that deep down a lot of gankers _don’t_ really feel happy with ganking…there was even an entire thread here a few years back where a long established ganker admitted just that…so they have to ‘justify’ it with tales of ‘AFK miners’, ‘Lazy haulers’, ‘calm down miners’ and so on that diminish the victim to the point of worthlessness. And of course the ganker can then pretend that rather than thieving they are actually doing the world a favour. Wut. I defintely enjoy blapping people 😃 I’m sure the gankers do too. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I thought you said that you were a new player, Cilla? Oh snap, good catch I totally missed that ROFL. Guess she finally got too caught up LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/98 "2022-02-14T20:05:16Z")
Why does Gadget third person sign posts though? ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/99 "2022-02-14T20:08:11Z")
[Tradition.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqFDzLbuPXU) –Gadget sings ---
**Author:** ![Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyvinex_ssasen/32/303752_2.png) [@Dyvinex\_Ssasen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyvinex_Ssasen)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2022, 10:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/punish-pirates-in-high-sec/349712/100 "2022-02-14T22:11:00Z")
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