# Putting the demand that all players engage in PvP into context **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 13, 2020, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/putting-the-demand-that-all-players-engage-in-pvp-into-context/279651 "2020-11-13T14:55:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 66
**Author:** ![Andresoni\_Janau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/andresoni_janau/32/240452_2.png) [@Andresoni\_Janau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Andresoni_Janau)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2020, 8:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/putting-the-demand-that-all-players-engage-in-pvp-into-context/279651/66 "2020-11-13T20:07:09Z")
> [@Yberta\_Molk](#): > > I don’t accept your premis, and pretty much looks like something a kid would write. > > Eve is a PvP focused game but that does not mean you have to PvP. I enjoy all sorts of activities in Eve without using a gun but at the same time accept that someone else could spoil my day. > > Fact is that mining/huffing/hauling/exploring without the threat of PvP would be pointless, just looking at pretty pixels. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Dear OP, your thread is irresistible. I simply must reply. > > What you described is a typical example of enthusiasm and unbridled eagerness of “EG” for her friends to enjoy her game and the things she loves doing in that game. _It has nothing to do with alleged toxic pvp environment_, and everything to do with **expectations** , leadership and group dynamics. The way it is organized is, of course, questionable if not hillariously wrong. “PB”, “M1-2-3” and your good self followed her, but also dropped the link with her eagerness to function and have fun as the normal tight group (as per your context) and did not follow through. Plus, you were led in, agreed to be led in, but refused to be led further once in. > > A perfect example of The Abilene Paradox (original video [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM-XyALCGXM)). Thank you so much for reminding me of my own mistakes spanning several decades of frustration and relations gone south. I suggest you don’t undock from a station near me for a while, lmao. > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > I honestly don’t think much of the PvP setup in EVE, and have a low opinion of highsec gankers in general. However, it’s a valid playstyle, and your friend had the right idea: grab some buddies, form a gank squad, go smash some ships up. It’s far more engaging and interesting an option for new players than it is for lazy vets too frightened to venture out of highsec for their PvP. > > EG was pushing the boundaries - you guys were stuck in the “lets pick valid MMO careers and start levelling up” rut you probably play in all your other games. Not wonder she got so frustrated with you all. > > It’s 2020 man, and the end of the world as you know it. Free your mind, and the rest will follow! > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Whilst eve is a pvp game at its core, that doesn’t really have anything to do with your experience. Being a pvp game at it’s core doesn’t mean everyone must pursue killing other players. > > Your friend is not typical of eve players. Not even typical of players like me that teach the nay sayers how eve is indeed a pvp game. > > I think @Kezrai_Charzai is right. This person wanted to form a gank squad and you guys were the extra firepower she needed to hunt bigger targets. Really seems like you kids IMMEDIATELY caught onto the fake post, eh? > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > You really dont want to, I dont think. > > A repurposed meme was deployed to troll. > > When it wasnt immeadiately recognised as such, the OP (and others, apparently) decided they had successfully trolled a particular section of the forum. > > Then someone flagged it for some reason. Sorry Karen, giving yourself way too much credit for demanding the manager AFTER you got trolled hard. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/putting-the-demand-that-all-players-engage-in-pvp-into-context/279651)._