# PvE only systems shouldn't be a thing, but -- **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 1, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729 "2022-11-01T23:23:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/181 "2022-12-03T00:35:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, you say this about pretty much any view you disagree with, so it’s become meaningless. Could say the same for you my guy 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No thanks. I’ll continue to play this one and continue to campaign for CCP to make changes I support, regardless of how many times you attack, insult, harass or attempt to troll me. At some point I’m sure you’ll realise your usual tactics are not working. Oh so you admit you’re playing a game whose rules you can’t handle, so you’ll cry to the devs to change it. Thankee 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Further proof you have no experience in game development Oh and you do? Drop the credentials my guy 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Over time, due to poor advice from CSMs PvE has been left aside and the focus has been more and more on marketing massive battles, Citation needed. @Brisc_Rubal , would you care to comment on this since this dude is speaking for ya’ll 😃 > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > and Everquest I just know you had a gnome 😃 > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Has the market for PvP centric MMO’s always been there? Considering the first true MMO was UO and that’s what EVE basically took it’s tenets from, yes. Also UO is a perfect example of what happens when it goes the way Grampy wants They made the changes Grampy wants and it tanked the game. > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > The more EvE is “evolved” into being like other games, the more it moves towards a pseudo WoW killer chasing the WoW market, I wager the faster it will die. You are correct sir. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > For space based games, I personally came through games like Elite and Colonial Conquest 2, Star Trek and other single player games, then played games like Disapora and Plantetarion as early multiplayer space games before I played EVE. Oh. So no other MMOs really. Shocker 😃 > [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I agree that the PvP centric MMO has always been a small market. I don’t understand what you are talking about with the Deathmatch statement. EvE has never been an MMO death match. I don’t think anyone is trying to turn it into Unreal Tournament. They just want EvE to remain what it always has been. He’s obsessed with BR’s 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/182 "2022-12-03T00:56:59Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > hence CCP making changes that increase the appeal of EVE within the wider MMO market. Ah, that would be why the player count is at 18,000 on a Friday night despite the nerfs to ganking. What you fail to grasp is that more people get cheesed off with the goal posts being moved every 5 minutes than the noobs who leave. And turning Eve into ‘just another’ generic MMO gives nobody any special reason to go for it over and above all the other generic MMOs. Trying to appeal to a wider audience can backfire spectacularly…as the core player base who joined because it had its niche qualities leave, and the noobs one hopes to attract are already playing all the other popular MMOs. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/183 "2022-12-03T01:04:10Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oh and you do? Drop the credentials my guy We’ve all met the sort who bluster their way through being right about absolutely everything under the sun. It’s as if their entire world would unravel if they ever once admitted being even the tiniest bit wrong about anything. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/184 "2022-12-03T01:08:03Z")
Well he’s already admitted to not playing a lot of MMOs and admitted to not being able to handle EVE in it’s current form. I’ve played almost every MMO there is. MMOs tank when they stray from their core gameplay. SWG being another prime example. They tried to revamp the game and ended up destroying it instead because it got away from what made it successful in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/186 "2022-12-03T01:18:11Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > MMOs tank when they stray from their core gameplay. Trying to make a game accord with what most MMO players want is not a solution in itself, because most MMO players _will already be playing what they want_…which is precisely where one got the figures from for what most MMO players want…lol. Its a catch 22 situation, because a generic game gives nothing that stands out as a reason to play it. If you make Eve like Game X…why would everyone leave Game X and flock to Eve ? Games stand out either because they are different, or better, or preferably both…_not_ because they’ve become clones of every other game out there. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/188 "2022-12-03T01:31:08Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Where’s your data for this? The same place as yours. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, this is not something I’ve ever called for, so no amount of you using this strawman will be relevant. Oh but it is precisely what you are calling for…the _dumbing down_ of Eve to cater for the carebears. And once again you speak with forked tongue, because ‘making Eve more appealing’ is precisely that aspect of making it more generic…the two are the same thing as it is the generic aspect that provides the gaming data in the first place that says it is more appealing. You just blurt out stuff with total disregard for whether you are contradicting something you yourself said only half a dozen posts ago ! This is why I am fed up ‘discussing’ anything with you. You slither this way and that, so eager to shoot everyone else down that the end result is you contradicting yourself a dozen times a day. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/189 "2022-12-03T01:33:12Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Oh but it is precisely what you are calling for…the _dumbing down_ of Eve to cater for the carebears. He wants it for himself. He can’t handle the game. He’s admitted that already. He just wants to be able to AFK thru high sec 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/191 "2022-12-03T01:40:55Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Once again. noone is calling for EVE to be a clone of anything. How the hell else can one define ‘more appealing’ ?? The _only_ way one knows what is ‘appealing’ is by reference to other games and their appeal ‘within the wide MMO market’…to quote your own phrase. Thus, _by definition_, if a whole bunch of other games are ‘more appealing’ then making the game more like them is the only factor that gives that ‘appeal’. Sheesh…why does everything have to be so damned contrarian with you ? It is precisely how you end up contradicting yourself all the time, because someone else said something that was right…and you can’t have others **ever** being right, so you end up contradicting your own prior statements in order to assert others are wrong. Frankly I have absolutely had enough of this. You are simply not worth bothering with. I am finally taking the advice of others… ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/192 "2022-12-03T01:50:44Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > He wants it for himself. I no longer care. Lucas now consists solely of ‘View 1 hidden reply’. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/194 "2022-12-03T01:54:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Because the statements you make never make any sense. They are always reduced to the most absurd twisted husk of the original idea. Ahh. Projecting huh? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/195 "2022-12-03T02:00:14Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Citation needed. @Brisc_Rubal , would you care to comment on this since this dude is speaking for ya’ll 😃 He’s not really wrong. It’s a miniscule part of the folks who play EVE long-term who do it for the PvE. Some CSM members have been more PvE oriented than others - I’ve advocated it, but only because I know there are plenty of people who do missions and abyssals, even though I don’t particularly care for that kind of gameplay. But overall, at least in the modern CSM era, it’s rare to see a PvEer get elected, because those folks don’t tend to really play the game with large groups of people. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/196 "2022-12-03T02:06:20Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > It’s a miniscule part of the folks who play EVE long-term who do it for the PvE. Exactly my point. Historical data for his changes is already out there. He’s just gotta witness UO 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tzashrah_praankar/32/354043_2.png) [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tzashrah_Praankar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/197 "2022-12-03T02:20:53Z")
That was interesting to watch, ty. Only thing was you didn’t honor the ransom…which was sucky tbh… ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/199 "2022-12-03T03:35:52Z")
> [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](#): > > That was interesting to watch, ty. Only thing was you didn’t honor the ransom…which was sucky tbh… back them most of then didn’t honor the ransom , LOL i lost some ships including battleships to ransom guys , i just said kill me + a bunch of insults retroactive edit: [quote="Gix Firebrand, post:202, topic:382729, username:Gix\_Firebrand”] We always honored. Easier dealing with liquid ISK 😃 [/quote] i remember this, lets call it romantic phase but wen people start to be dishonorable the best bet for the victim was not to pay that put some stress on the system ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 4:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/200 "2022-12-03T04:39:17Z")
“PvE only systems shouldn’t be a thing, there is no but.” Fixed the topic title for you. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 5:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/201 "2022-12-03T05:48:08Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I no longer care. Lucas now consists solely of ‘View 1 hidden reply’. Finally:) Now maybe we can get a little peace in the forums. I think you and Gix were the last holdouts still talking to him. I’m sure he’ll be along to flag this post momentarily, but that’s ok, I’m just glad you finally did it. Now just look around, take a deep breath, and go back to enjoying this great game with out the hassle of listening to “Nope” over and over. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/202 "2022-12-03T06:04:42Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > back them most of then didn’t honor the ransom , LOL We always honored. Easier dealing with liquid ISK 😃 > [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > I think you and Gix were the last holdouts still talking to him. I never block anyone sadly 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/203 "2022-12-03T07:12:49Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > I never block anyone sadly 😃 The last mohykane. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/204 "2022-12-03T16:03:42Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > It’s a miniscule part of the folks who play EVE long-term who do it for the PvE. The problem is those who treat PvE almost as if they were playing a single player game, and thus don’t want any ‘interference’ from other players. Which would be a legitimate call if they _were_ playing a single player game…but they are playing a _multiplayer_ game where by definition the whole idea is to interact with other people. The whole notion of ‘leave me alone…I’m doing PvE’ is absurd in an MMO, yet it is the entire basis of much of the player complaints. ---
**Author:** ![Min-seo\_Lee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/min-seo_lee/32/303890_2.png) [@Min-seo\_Lee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Min-seo_Lee)\ **Post date:** [December 3, 2022, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/206 "2022-12-03T21:24:06Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > it’s rare to see a PvEer get elected, because those folks don’t tend to really play the game with large groups of people. I’d wager that 80% of the people playing today fit into that group. They are “the silent majority”. I can only hope that one day they will unite and bring positive changes to the game. Most don’t even vote for ths CSM as they fail to see any reason to. But, the day will come. Let people play PvE if they want, or they’ll grind you into bits. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729.md?page=10)