# PvE only systems shouldn't be a thing, but --

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**Created:** [November 1, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729 "2022-11-01T23:23:18Z")\
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**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\
**Post date:** [December 1, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pve-only-systems-shouldnt-be-a-thing-but/382729/139 "2022-12-01T19:43:03Z")

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> [@Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/1):
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> Problem:
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> > [@Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/1):
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> > he’s repeating this all the time every day.  
> > So what he’s punishment? 15 min crime status?
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> Solution:
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> > [@Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/1):
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> > - Block safety switch for alpha clones.
> > - Add cumulative crime status timer.
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> You may not agree with him but even that post is just someone voicing their opinion.  
> How can you claim that’s whining but stuff like this isn’t:

Boy you’re really stretching there, aren’t you?

Line 1: accusation  
Line 2: rant  
Lines 3 and 4: demands

I see exactly zero expression of opinion in those four quoted lines. Additionally, there is no genuine presentation of a problem, as one would need to be accompanied by an explanation of _why_ it is a problem in order to be defined as such.

> [@Alpha clone suicide ganking - plague of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/alpha-clone-suicide-ganking-plague-of-eve/367448/368):
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> These weren’t alphas. CCP should ban y’all for spreading this ■■■■■■■■.
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> It’s bad enough y’all are so pathetic that you’d rather whine then HTFU. THEN you gotta come spread misinformation on the forums? Honestly, a post like this should warrant a temp forum ban at this point. Straight up lying.
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> Seriously though. The anti-PvP crowd in this game is the most pathetic community I have ever experienced in my life. Y’all know the least, whine the loudest, and have all but destroyed one of the best games of all time with your entitlement.
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> Anti-PvP = Entitled brat

I see multiple instances of wording used to denote opinions in that post, such as multiple instances of “should,” a mention of personal experience, etc. Additionally, there’s at least a rudimentary definition of a problem (the spread of false information), with some semblance of justification by saying that they weren’t Alpha accounts, which is used to warrant the proposal for these people being banned.

You’re so bad at this. 😂 🤣 🤣 🤣 etc.

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