# \[PvP\] ESS Deadspace Grid: No Meaningful Counterplay for Defenders **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Tags:** null-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 21, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829 "2026-08-21T12:46:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 8:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/42 "2026-08-26T08:30:22Z")
> [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > 500km still alters the meta Yes, that is my intention. I’ve been trying to explain I do not think it is a healthy meta if people can fly away in places where it takes literal minutes of burning with microwarp drives to reach. It’s not engaging gameplay, and causes those places to be abused as safe space. Luckily the carrier with MJFG you mention is a very telegraphed strategy as they cannot cyno onto the deadspace grid, so you have plenty of time to react and adjust your direction. Keep in mind that I’m not trying to remove your ability to kite on the deadspace grid, I’m only asking for a boundary. You can still turn sideways and keep kiting forever if you’re good. You just won’t be able to indefinitely keep increasing the time it takes to reach you from the warp-in point. > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > The actual alternative, is them just safe logging, which is legitimately worse. Safe logging has a 30 second delay, and can be countered. ---
**Author:** ![Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dagvald_dadbanger/32/460697_2.png) [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dagvald_Dadbanger)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 10:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/43 "2026-08-26T10:27:13Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I’ve been trying to explain I do not think it is a healthy meta if people can fly away in places where it takes literal minutes of burning with microwarp drives to reach. That’s based on the supposition that you have only engaged them after they’ve been burning non-stop for some time. It’s like saying “when the ishtar enters a POS I can’t kill it” The onus is on you to prevent that scenario. You have a standing fleet, you have an intel network, you have ansiblexes. > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Luckily the carrier with MJFG you mention is a very telegraphed strategy as they cannot cyno onto the deadspace grid, so you have plenty of time to react and adjust your direction. What are you talking about right now, you adjust direction when they are mjfging, but two carriers that are somewhat competent will get on you within two booshes. One boosh can be enough depending on the ships they are bringing. > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > Outnumbered (virtually always) > > Unable to replace losses. > > Can’t dock. > > Can’t reship to counter/escalate a fight. > > Can’t rely on an umbrella or local staging cynos. > > Can’t use ansiblexes. > > If you don’t want enemies to go to an ess, you can bubble it. Idk how you can look at this and think “man, burning in a straight line when nobody is around to stop them is too strong” Don’t you think that people going to your space, and then going out of their way to burn in deadspace to avoid you, might be a reflection that you playstyle is denying you content, not their reaction to it? Do you think if you made effort into atleast appearing engagable, they may actually fight you? It just seems genuinely in bad faith. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 10:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/44 "2026-08-26T10:30:59Z")
> [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > That’s based on the supposition that you have only engaged them after they’ve been burning non-stop for some time. > > It’s like saying “when the ishtar enters a POS I can’t kill it” Exactly! And I think there should be no POS-like safe spot for hostiles to hide in when they come to sov null sec. If you wish to use deadspace to kite, sure! I just think that people should not be able to “burn a while” to then enjoy POS-like safety in otherwise hostile space. A boundary still allows you to kite, but limits the ability to keep burning to get safer and safer. ---
**Author:** ![Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dagvald_dadbanger/32/460697_2.png) [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dagvald_Dadbanger)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/45 "2026-08-26T10:41:32Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Exactly! > > And I think there should be no POS-like safe spot for hostiles to hide in when they come to sov null sec. So if I anchor a POS in your space, its FC’s job to remove it, not your job? If I am in your space and want to use an ESS grid to avoid you you can either: A: Give me a reason to not run away B: Prevent me from running away The majority of alliance standing fleets know how to do atleast one of those things, you either bait, catch them, or genuinely offer engaging content. You “solution” is to remove any possibility for an already demonstrably disadvantaged group to avoid engaging you on your terms. You haven’t actually established any merit here, your entire value judgement seems to stem from some variation of “I’m entitled to every conceivable advantage in my own space on my own terms.” ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/46 "2026-08-26T11:12:34Z")
> [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > So if I anchor a POS in your space, its FC’s job to remove it, not your job? If you place a POS in my space it’s my job to get rid of it. If FC puts an unremovable POS-like location in my space, it’s up to FC to get rid of it. This is why I ask FC to put a boundary on the deadspace grid to get rid of the safe space they created in every sov null sec system. ---
**Author:** ![Brinton\_Anzomi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brinton_anzomi/32/501656_2.png) [@Brinton\_Anzomi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brinton_Anzomi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/47 "2026-08-26T12:28:26Z")
> [@Syzygium](#): > > Warping out successfully means ‘safe escape’ in like 99% of the cases, completely independent from how skilled or experienced the hunters are. You only get the stupid ones, but those are usually the ones who wouldn’t even try to use deadspace grid to their advantage. Uh that is entirely incorrect rofl. That means you ceptor/dictor pilots are hot garbage and should either be replaced or retrained. ---
**Author:** ![Brinton\_Anzomi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brinton_anzomi/32/501656_2.png) [@Brinton\_Anzomi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brinton_Anzomi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 12:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/48 "2026-08-26T12:31:26Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > I just think that people should not be able to “burn a while” to then enjoy POS-like safety in otherwise hostile space. But it isn’t? Just bring a crusader fleet and ram the baddies at 10km/s+. POS safety means I am completely immune until I leave the bubble. There are so many ways to catch people on the ESS grid it isn’t even funny. Like surely all of the nano ganger losses on the ESS grids can attest to that, right? ---
**Author:** ![Syzygium](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syzygium/32/516281_2.png) [@Syzygium](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syzygium)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 12:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/49 "2026-08-26T12:40:18Z")
> [@Brinton\_Anzomi](#): > > Uh that is entirely incorrect rofl. That means you ceptor/dictor pilots are hot garbage and should either be replaced or retrained. Agree to disagree then. I am pretty confident that any tackler’s chance to “still get me when I drop out of warp” is less than 1%, no matter what 1337pr0h4xx0r Ceptor pilot he is. But I am not in the mood to discuss that to the last hairsplit. ---
**Author:** ![Brinton\_Anzomi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brinton_anzomi/32/501656_2.png) [@Brinton\_Anzomi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brinton_Anzomi)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2026, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/50 "2026-08-26T14:05:28Z")
As long as we aren’t making mechanic or gameplay changes based on people’s lack of skill, then sure, I will agree to disagree with you! ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2026, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/52 "2026-08-28T16:45:38Z")
So the idea is if a Nano Gang is unable to force an object… is to prevent them by Bubbling the ESS and bring a huge amount of Instalockers to the ESS + Logi + DPS. Have the same setup on every Gate in System + Combat Probers for the Filament. So the NANO GANGERS Solution is: Just have +30 People camping the whole system. **So my point which the outside ESS GRID is a safe space to let run down your timer and not be engable is approved.** - If you would stay within 100-250km… You see a boosh… you warp off cause 25 People would wreck you at 0. ^^ You have 5 Seconds to align to XYZ - If you get sniped or acknowledge Alpha would kill you… You warp off, since you are not tackled. If we camp the System as said… You dislike to be blopped. Which is the whole point of a GROUP or Team up game. I am telling you which let the timer run down on the outside of the ESS… to log off to Filament to archive more time to ping for reinforcments I just pointing out which people dislike this mechanics and it needs to be adjusted. # Your content options for Nano Gangers in Nullsec are ESS MAIN/Reserve Bank Intrusion Skyhook roobing Shoot Structures Camp Gates/Ansi If you dislike these options either you open up a Thread with suggestions or contact your CSM to ask for more options… I am looking at my people and my playstyle and pointing out there is an issue. We asked for Arenas… people abused the Arena system → Arena System removed since than. # I am not opening a thread about people should not be able to warp off with a combat timer Even i am able to acknowledge which this should allways be legit option. > [@Drake\_Iddon](#): > > @Kane_Carnifex why did you run away btw just now, you had 2 celestis and didnt need boosh to get in range tl;dr: Lets compare apples with peaches. You talking about a Standing fleet which is ruled by “bring whatever ship you like” vs. a organized (on coms) nano roam ^^ Let me write your answer… We are not organized, everybody brings what they want we just have one rule which the ship should be specialized in NANO. We are not on COMS. Let me repeat we are not organized… this is pure skill and knowlege how everybody flys. Did I got this right or is something missing like you force Shield or Armor ? And don´t tell me I can tell Standing which Ships to bring… Than you have 0% understanding of a Standing Fleet vs. pinged Doctrine Fleet [Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/phantomite) First part is handwritten, second part is marked as computer written. I also wrote this in the post… Why is this an issue? Could you kindly explain this to me, please? ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2026, 10:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/54 "2026-08-28T22:13:53Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > tl;dr: Lets compare apples with peaches. > You talking about a Standing fleet which is ruled by “bring whatever ship you like” > vs. a organized (on coms) nano roam > > ^^ Let me write your answer… We are not organized, everybody brings what they want we just have one rule which the ship should be specialized in NANO. We are not on COMS. > Let me repeat we are not organized… this is pure skill and knowlege how everybody flys. > Did I got this right or is something missing like you force Shield or Armor ? > > And don´t tell me I can tell Standing which Ships to bring… > Than you have 0% understanding of a Standing Fleet vs. pinged Doctrine Fleet Sorry, are you actually trying to justify by saying “we are unorganised and bad, that’s why we couldn’t fight you” in a thread where you ask for the game to change so you don’t have to bother trying? ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [August 28, 2026, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/55 "2026-08-28T22:56:07Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > tl;dr: Lets compare apples with peaches. > You talking about a Standing fleet which is ruled by “bring whatever ship you like” > vs. a organized (on coms) nano roam > > ^^ Let me write your answer… We are not organized, everybody brings what they want we just have one rule which the ship should be specialized in NANO. We are not on COMS. > Let me repeat we are not organized… this is pure skill and knowlege how everybody flys. > Did I got this right or is something missing like you force Shield or Armor ? > > And don´t tell me I can tell Standing which Ships to bring… > Than you have 0% understanding of a Standing Fleet vs. pinged Doctrine Fleet How did you write so much and so little at the same time You had at least 11 ships vs 2, you have two celestis which instantly can lock down any thing those 2 ships can do, you didnt need a boosh because the engagement was not stretched over a huge area and you still ran away you are blaming your people for not bringing the correct ships…when you had the perfect counter in the ships you brought all this does is show that the threads that you have been making are not legitimate feedback from someone who has the games interest at heart, and are just a string of complaint threads when something didnt go your way ---
**Author:** ![Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dagvald_dadbanger/32/460697_2.png) [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dagvald_Dadbanger)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 6:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/56 "2026-08-29T06:35:48Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > So the idea is if a Nano Gang is unable to force an object… is to prevent them by Bubbling the ESS and bring a huge amount of Instalockers to the ESS + Logi + DPS. > Have the same setup on every Gate in System + Combat Probers for the Filament. You don’t need instalockers, standing also typically outnumbers the enemy 10 to 1, so if you can’t have tackle on every gate, that’s a skill issue. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > If we camp the System as said… You dislike to be blopped. > Which is the whole point of a GROUP or Team up game. So to be clear, you are asserting the basis of the game is teamwork. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > ^^ Let me write your answer… We are not organized, everybody brings what they want we just have one rule which the ship should be specialized in NANO. We are not on COMS. > And don´t tell me I can tell Standing which Ships to bring… > Than you have 0% understanding of a Standing Fleet vs. pinged Doctrine Fleet And here you’re saying that you shouldn’t be expected to work as a team, to outplay the people that are. Kane, the majority of decent standing fleets, will have a shotcaller, that’s when they perform at their best, if YOUR group has a culture of blindly, mutely flying into enemies, that is entirely YOUR FAULT. That is a failure of YOUR team, YOUR group to function effectively. There’s 0 game reason to balance the game around your refusal to work as a team, while you yourself insist the game is best played as a team. You talk as though you are in the top 1% of players, and if you’re struggling to do something, it must mean it is the game being unfair. I’m sorry to say, and I hope this doesn’t come as a surprise, you are not a talented player, and brave is not a talented org, the issues you are struggling with have been solved by other standing fleets by having a modicum of co-ordination and teamwork expected. You also don’t even need to rely on standing, or an alliance ping, half the corps in brave can form enough people to go toe to toe with any small gang corp. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 10:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/57 "2026-08-29T10:03:54Z")
> [@Phantomite](#): > > Because why should anyone care about an AI hallucination? If you can’t be bothered to write it yourself, it’s worthless. > > Don’t ask me why you shouldn’t use AI, tell us, why should we read something just shat out by a computer? I was fixing text part like making warpable bookmarks in the ESS. So there should no hallucination. Feel free to point them out so i can edit them. So far you didn´t provide hallucination up. > [@Phantomite](#): > > Sorry, are you actually trying to justify by saying “we are unorganised and bad, that’s why we couldn’t fight you” in a thread where you ask for the game to change so you don’t have to bother trying? > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > And here you’re saying that you shouldn’t be expected to work as a team, to outplay the people that are. I’d explain sarcasm to you, but I’m afraid we’d need to start with the basics of humor. No worries, you will get it once the jokes expires 🙂 > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > Kane, the majority of decent standing fleets, will have a shotcaller, that’s when they perform at their best, if YOUR group has a culture of blindly, mutely flying into enemies, that is entirely YOUR FAULT. That is a failure of YOUR team, YOUR group to function effectively. So do we assumptions are the mother of all ■■■■ ups. # It is not my problem which CCP don´t gave you content hooks for your Gameplay. As said raise this concern in your own thread. ESS should not be used to rundown timers neither as Safe Space which.. if we don´t like what you bring we keep burning off until you get borred. THERE IS NO CONTENT FOR YOU OUTSIDE OF THE ESS WHICH FORCE ANYBODY TO PLAY WITH YOU. 😛 > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > You talk as though you are in the top 1% of players, and if you’re struggling to do something, it must mean it is the game being unfair. Explain to me why i should engage you outside of the ESS GRID? WHAT DOES FORCE THE DEFENDER TO DO SO? I am waiting. > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > You also don’t even need to rely on standing, or an alliance ping, half the corps in brave can form enough people to go toe to toe with any small gang corp. Nano Gangers complain about getting blobbed. Imagine you a dropped behind enemie lines and complain there to many of them… xD > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > I’m sorry to say, and I hope this doesn’t come as a surprise, you are not a talented player, and brave is not a talented org, the issues you are struggling with have been solved by other standing fleets by having a modicum of co-ordination and teamwork expected. I strongly disagree. On which kind of skill set to do you measure this like zkill, ISK, PLEX, SP? Please tell me which which content outside of the ESS GRID FORCE ME TO DO PVP WITH YOU? ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/58 "2026-08-29T10:22:15Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > ’d explain sarcasm to you, but I’m afraid we’d need to start with the basics of humor. > No worries, you will get it once the jokes expires 🙂 You don’t get to try to make an argument, and then when it’s destroyed, backpedal and retcon that it was a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 10:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/59 "2026-08-29T10:25:41Z")
> [@Phantomite](#): > > You don’t get to try to make an argument, and then when it’s destroyed, backpedal and retcon that it was a joke. Fair enough. you are free to interpret it that way. ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/60 "2026-08-29T11:02:08Z")
Did you want to have a debate or did you want to make jokes? You have to pick one or the entire thing is pointless ---
**Author:** ![Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dagvald_dadbanger/32/460697_2.png) [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dagvald_Dadbanger)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 11:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/61 "2026-08-29T11:10:17Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > I’d explain sarcasm to you, but I’m afraid we’d need to start with the basics of humor. > No worries, you will get it once the jokes expires 🙂 Your arguments are genuinely so poorly worded and thought out it is impossible to tell which ones are you being genuine, or genuinely stupid. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Explain to me why i should engage you outside of the ESS GRID? > WHAT DOES FORCE THE DEFENDER TO DO SO? > > I am waiting. How is that relevant to anything? What does me forcing you to fight have to do with anything? > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Nano Gangers complain about getting blobbed. > Imagine you a dropped behind enemie lines and complain there to many of them… xD You literally made a thread to complain about nanogangers not wanting to fight your blob, the blatant solution is to put some effort into appearing engageable, but I don’t think you know how to do that. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > I strongly disagree. > On which kind of skill set to do you measure this like zkill, ISK, PLEX, SP? > > Please tell me which which content outside of the ESS GRID FORCE ME TO DO PVP WITH YOU? I’m basing it on the fact you literally don’t know how to fly your own ship, and complain about stuff any groups resolved years ago. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Please tell me which which content outside of the ESS GRID FORCE ME TO DO PVP WITH YOU? 💀 what the ■■■■ are you talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/62 "2026-08-29T19:53:09Z")
> [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > How is that relevant to anything? What does me forcing you to fight have to do with anything? You sit outside the ESS waiting for a fight. People don´t fight on your terms. You get upset… and leave. For whatever reason you come back and experience the exact same szenario sitting outside in the ESS and nobody comes. > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > You literally made a thread to complain about nanogangers not wanting to fight your blob, the blatant solution is to put some effort into appearing engageable, but I don’t think you know how to do that. No. I made a Thread which the Outside of the ESS getting abused as safe space. Looking at the response.. i am hitting the nail really good otherwise there would be less trolling. 😛 > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > I’m basing it on the fact you literally don’t know how to fly your own ship, and complain about stuff any groups resolved years ago. Could you explain which one of the ships and also point out the szenario you reffering back. > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > what the ■■■■ are you talking about. That one is easy 😛 You sit XXXkm outside of the ESS. Why should i burn a ship into you? In which kind does it affect my gameplay of mining,ratting, hauling if you chill XXXkm on the outside of the ESS beside XX people baiting to catch you on gates or combat probe you down? ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/63 "2026-08-29T20:53:09Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Why should i burn a ship into you? > In which kind does it affect my gameplay of mining,ratting, hauling if you chill XXXkm on the outside of the ESS beside XX people baiting to catch you on gates or combat Did you just ask and then answer your own question? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829.md?page=4)