# \[PvP\] ESS Deadspace Grid: No Meaningful Counterplay for Defenders **URL:** \ **Category:** Assembly Hall\ **Tags:** null-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 21, 2026, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829 "2026-08-21T12:46:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dagvald_dadbanger/32/460697_2.png) [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dagvald_Dadbanger)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2026, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/64 "2026-08-29T20:58:43Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > You sit outside the ESS waiting for a fight. > People don´t fight on your terms. > You get upset… and leave. Sounds like you just found a solution to your ESS problem? > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Could you explain which one of the ships and also point out the szenario you reffering back. Pick one? Your eve career highlight was leeching content from Volta, now you dedicate your time to struggling to deal with 5 dudes with 50. I recall you tried to teach brave pilots about transversal and died to a rat. > [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > That one is easy 😛 > You sit XXXkm outside of the ESS. > Why should i burn a ship into you? > In which kind does it affect my gameplay of mining,ratting, hauling if you chill XXXkm on the outside of the ESS beside XX people baiting to catch you on gates or combat probe you down? It doesn’t, so why are you complaining? You spent paragraphs of poorly written A.I garbage to try to claim there’s no meaningful counterplay, there is, I’ve already explained it to you, and worst case scenario, is you force a stalemate, you haven’t established why that’s insufficient. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2026, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/65 "2026-08-30T13:10:10Z")
> [@Phantomite](#): > > Did you just ask and then answer your own question? > [@Dagvald\_Dadbanger](#): > > Sounds like you just found a solution to your ESS problem? Thank you for support my point which the ESS shouldn´t be a safe space. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Pasta\_Patriarch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_pasta_patriarch/32/496081_2.png) [@The\_Pasta\_Patriarch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Pasta_Patriarch)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2026, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/66 "2026-08-30T13:55:23Z")
Ask chatgpt to explain to you what they’re saying. Because they’re not agreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![Brinton\_Anzomi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brinton_anzomi/32/501656_2.png) [@Brinton\_Anzomi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brinton_Anzomi)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2026, 1:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/67 "2026-08-31T01:58:22Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > No. I made a Thread which the Outside of the ESS getting abused as safe space. > Looking at the response.. i am hitting the nail really good otherwise there would be less trolling No, not really. We are just pointing out how dumb your idea is and how you are coming across like someone who is bad at the game. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2026, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/68 "2026-09-01T16:58:29Z")
> [@The\_Pasta\_Patriarch](#): > > Ask chatgpt to explain to you what they’re saying. Because they’re not agreeing with you. I disagree and i am sorry to inform you which your comment isn´t helping. > [@Brinton\_Anzomi](#): > > No, not really. We are just pointing out how dumb your idea is and how you are coming across like someone who is bad at the game. Looks like i am missing the Pro an Con List from both perpective in your posting. This can happen from time to time. So could you explain this in detail again why it is an dumb idea to prevent people using the outside of the ESS to rundown their timers to Filament? ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2026, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/69 "2026-09-23T09:51:39Z")
Can somebody else help me out with this question? So could you explain this in detail again why it is an dumb idea to prevent people using the outside of the ESS to rundown their timers to Filament? This currently a daily practice in nullsec. Why you asking.. maybe because nullsec is the only space which houses an ESS. So Either we increase the Filament times to X Minute or we change the ESS outside GRID. If you increase the Filament time it will affect everybody in known space. If you change the ESS it only has an effect in Nullsec. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2026, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/70 "2026-09-25T18:54:27Z")
When i would count how often people use the ESS outside to run their timer out… I would have an endless counting. This can´t be the IDEA of the outside GRID of the ESS. THE Outside of the ESS is currently so broken. # Minor FAST FIX If you are outside of the ESS the Combat timer is unable to TICK DOWN After this you can think about how stupid it is to have the ESS outside a DEADSPACE GRID for NO REASON. ---
**Author:** ![Liet\_Traep](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/liet_traep/32/505257_2.png) [@Liet\_Traep](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Liet_Traep)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2026, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/71 "2026-10-01T23:19:07Z")
It is completely non-interactive. If one group is faster than the other the other group can never catch up and the faster group can just wait out the timer and then filament. I don’t think the deadzone should be essentially limitless. Maybe a 300km limit inside and out. So the nanogangs have room to maneuver and fight and not get warped in on but they can’t sit on grid and avoid a fight forever. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/72 "2026-10-03T10:20:25Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/2/a/72ae64d8ef9ae194e6f437a2c93de5eb7a53eec7.jpeg) Somebody could enlight me how this make any sense outside of the ESS? - I can´t warp to them with combat probes - If i establish a boosh chain to reach them… - they will just warp off - They can´t escape via gates as they are locked down - They running down their timers to filament - We are asking for increased Filament Timers as in Pochven - This PVP Mechanics isn´t entertaining at all and boring - This can´t be the initial idea of the outside of the ESS Grid - Why was this not addressed in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/73 "2026-10-03T13:19:05Z")
I’m not sure how many of them are posing a threat to you at that range. You can just leave. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/74 "2026-10-03T14:42:39Z")
Wait on this argument i can do much better than you. **How about they don´t visit us at all?** ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/75 "2026-10-03T14:48:50Z")
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**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/76 "2026-10-03T14:53:43Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Wait on this argument i can do much better than you. > > **How about they don´t visit us at all?** Mask off. You don’t like multiplayer games. ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/77 "2026-10-03T14:58:44Z")
> [@Phantomite](#): > > Mask off. You don’t like multiplayer games. Excuse me? Let me outbalance you by putting more effort into my answer than you do. The problem isn’t really whether they’re a threat at that exact range or not. The problem is that people can come into SOV nullsec, mess around in our space and basically can’t be engaged while everyone else still has to deal with them. Saying “just leave” doesn’t really solve the issue. We’re talking about SOV space here, not some random neutral area. If the answer to someone being there is always just to leave because they’re not an immediate threat, then there’s basically no reason to defend or contest the space in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/78 "2026-10-03T15:01:40Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > basically can’t be engaged while everyone else still has to deal with them. 7 booshes synced up puts them in point and web range, the moment they warp off you can easily scan them down this is not a difficult puzzle to solve mate, the game is all about asymmetric warfare: People in sov space usually throw everyone they can at the smallest of gangs, so the gangs leverage nano and deadspace to control the fight, you can leverage booshes to push them off deadspace and tilt control back in your favor ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/79 "2026-10-03T15:04:04Z")
> [@Drake\_Iddon](#): > > this is not a difficult puzzle to solve mate Try to Combat Probe down a ship going +3km/s without knowing the direction. I can formal this for you. (Time to Scan + Time to enter Warp + Time warping to the Spot) \* 3000m/s = Gues the Chance you land @0 And make an Video to proof of concept. ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/80 "2026-10-03T15:04:53Z")
who said landing on them at zero, combat scanning prevents them from filamenting out and pushing them towards the gates, where you can bubble ---
**Author:** ![Kane\_Carnifex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kane_carnifex/32/474576_2.png) [@Kane\_Carnifex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kane_Carnifex)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/81 "2026-10-03T15:07:07Z")
Nice, now they ping pong around. Good Job. I want to know how to catch them not how to play stupid cat and mouse games for no reason to check who has more patience. Anyway this is about the ESS Grid and not about how to Combat Probe as currently you can´t combat probe + warp anything on the ESS. ---
**Author:** ![Phantomite](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phantomite/32/434485_2.png) [@Phantomite](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phantomite)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/82 "2026-10-03T15:07:36Z")
> [@Kane\_Carnifex](#): > > Try to Combat Probe down a ship going +3km/s without knowing the direction. You realise you can figure out the direction right? ---
**Author:** ![Drake\_Iddon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drake_iddon/32/412757_2.png) [@Drake\_Iddon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Drake_Iddon)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2026, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829/83 "2026-10-03T15:08:02Z")
OK this is about the ESS grid, boosh on to them and tackle them with 500mn lachesis congratualtions you have now immediately won the ESS fight [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-ess-deadspace-grid-no-meaningful-counterplay-for-defenders/516829.md?page=5)