# PVP proposition: Class damage factor against GANK, role of alpha-strike, Citadel's imcoming\_damage\_limit **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [January 31, 2018, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439 "2018-01-31T10:01:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/22 "2018-01-31T23:50:55Z")
Still larger amount of lesser ships much more effective against a bigger target than a ship of the same size while having summary much less cost than a bigger ship. Why would EVE need bigger ships then? Screw the skills, just bring more guys. ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/23 "2018-02-01T03:13:34Z")
Citadels magical incoming\_damage\_limit can be rebalanced for optionally built-in citadel-size warp disruption field generators with optimal range 500-1000 km, making significant area around vulnerable Citadel actual deadzone for every ship involved, not only for 4-6: you got in there - you got one way out alive, this improves viability of Citadels, allowing for more utility modules available and removes drive-bys, making damaging intuitive and natural. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/24 "2018-02-01T03:25:20Z")
You’re just missing everything you’re swinging at in this thread, aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/25 "2018-02-01T03:27:04Z")
Why would you say so? ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/26 "2018-02-01T03:29:27Z")
Because your ideas straddle the line between bad and pointless, and your justifications are outright bad. When asked about your justifications, you babble incoherently. This thread’s going places, I tell you. ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/27 "2018-02-01T03:33:23Z")
Please feel free to share your specific remarks. ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/28 "2018-02-01T03:37:18Z")
Your justification appears to be “small things shouldn’t be able to kill big things.” That’s incredibly dumb. What this thread _feels_ like is you spent $ on skill injectors and a battleship, did something stupid with it because you don’t understand the game, and lost the ship. It feels that way because you don’t seem to understand what ships are for, how they are balanced, or what stats actually come into play in a size-mismatched fight. ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/29 "2018-02-01T03:44:46Z")
Thank you for your feedback. > [@mkint](#): > > “small things shouldn’t be able to kill big things.” Was never said this way, but “small things shouldn’t be able to kill big things so _easily_”. And no, i did not invest, bought, or > [@mkint](#): > > did something stupid with anything that could lead to my butthurt. It’s actually sad how propositions about things can cause unfounded prejudice, as you’ve said “feelings”. (except if it’s about carebears’ fears of lamps.) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/30 "2018-02-01T03:46:44Z")
> [@mkint](#): > > how they are balanced, or what stats actually come into play in a size-mismatched fight. To be fair, CCP themselves is on record as saying that Battleships are weak in the meta currently. However this is not solely because frigates can kill them. It’s also because they die horribly to Dreads & Carriers at the same time. However a complicated hard to understand & calculate on the fly mechanic is not the answer. Simply increasing battleships base EHP would achieve the same result, while also addressing all the other issues surrounding battleships dying too easily to other things like dreads & carriers. And a size locked secondary rack like discussed in one of the other threads would allow them to fight smaller ships effectively without making them overpowered against smaller ships. (Which simply increasing tracking on larger guns would do) ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/31 "2018-02-01T03:59:51Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > other thread Do you mind to present the link or actual name of the thread you’ve mentioned into this thread so i could get better understanding of your point? ---
**Author:** ![mkint](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkint/32/14424_2.png) [@mkint](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/mkint)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/32 "2018-02-01T04:03:06Z")
It was just an idea thread. They don’t really get taken seriously anyway. When CCP finally decides that balance matters, they’ll swing around to battleships, and it won’t be threads like these that get referenced when they come up with solutions. It’ll be focus groups, data analysis, surveys, etc. The F&I section of the forum is more a release valve so people can feel like they are having an effect, when really they are just whistling into the wind. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/33 "2018-02-01T04:03:16Z")
To not bother pointlessly resurrecting a dead thread, I’ll search for the link if I see you proving you actually have a decent understanding of this thread and why complicated mechanics are bad when there are already existing mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![1FORUM\_ALT](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/1forum_alt/32/52096_2.png) [@1FORUM\_ALT](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/1FORUM_ALT)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 4:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/34 "2018-02-01T04:07:17Z")
Thank you. I will take this into consideration. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/35 "2018-02-01T07:17:31Z")
> [@1FORUM\_ALT](#): > > Still larger amount of lesser ships much more effective against a bigger target than a ship of the same size while having summary much less cost than a bigger ship. Why would EVE need bigger ships then? Screw the skills, just bring more guys. Manpower is a cost, so is the cumulative time known as man hours 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2018, 7:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-proposition-class-damage-factor-against-gank-role-of-alpha-strike-citadels-imcoming-damage-limit/54439/36 "2018-05-02T07:17:36Z")
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