# PvP vs bullying **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 28, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287 "2019-06-28T10:23:47Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Szkarlatyna](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/szkarlatyna/32/170739_2.png) [@Szkarlatyna](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Szkarlatyna)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/1 "2019-06-28T10:23:48Z")
Hello, I’m interested in your opinions on the matter. Where, in your opinion, pvp ends and bullying starts and vice versa in regards to EvE gameplay? Can term ‘bullying’ be applied to EvE as so called ‘pvp’ focused game? If yes, can you share definition of term ‘bullying’ you applied? If no, can you share, what activity player should perform in regard to EvE gameplay, in order for this activity to be called by term ‘bullying’ by you. I’m curious. Please don’t turn this thread into “ONE OF THOSE” threads 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Commander\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/commander_kane/32/199755_2.png) [@Commander\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Commander_Kane)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/2 "2019-06-28T10:31:01Z")
In this case I’m going bully your alliance or corp in the game. PVP does not = bullying. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/3 "2019-06-28T10:46:55Z")
There is some boilerplate in the EULA on ingame harassment. But chasing people away and blowing their stuff up is a valid ingame tactic for trying to secure the benefits of a certain area of space for yourself. As is wardeccing or other measures to gain recompense for ingame slights or other e-honour factors. That being said, EVE is filled with many corporations and alliances that are very welcoming. You can always look for greener pastures. If in doing so you consistently run into issues then perhaps PEBCAK. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/4 "2019-06-28T10:57:03Z")
Any pilot should be ready to rebuild what he loses. Anything else is illogical. The EULA and TOS are pretty clear outside of that. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/5 "2019-06-28T11:05:55Z")
OP, before we can have an actual discussion, you need to clearly define what you mean by “bullying”. To some people, just engaging in aggressive combat might be considered “bullying” and to other, “bullying” only occurs when someone engages in prolonged harassment over the course of several days. If we don’t know what you mean by “bullying” then we’ll all be talking about various things that _seem_ like bullying to us, but we won’t have a good starting point to begin from. Please let us know exactly what you mean when you say “bullying”. ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/6 "2019-06-28T11:20:54Z")
Bullying in this game would be more along the lines of none PvP activities meant to try and cause harm such as constantly sending hateful in game mails and creating a new character when you get blocked to continue doing it. Blowing up you space home isn’t though, it’s just PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mevatla_vekraspek/32/377519_2.png) [@Mevatla\_Vekraspek](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mevatla_Vekraspek)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 11:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/7 "2019-06-28T11:58:10Z")
Have you ever noticed that you can wage war on strong people, but you can never bully them? ---
**Author:** ![Phoebe\_Obray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/phoebe_obray/32/131942_2.png) [@Phoebe\_Obray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Phoebe_Obray)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/8 "2019-06-28T13:30:18Z")
There is no bullying. There’s only a difference in the effort people have, or are willing to, put in to doing well in this PVP sandbox. ---
**Author:** ![xxxTRUSTxxx](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxxtrustxxx/32/285949_2.png) [@xxxTRUSTxxx](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/xxxTRUSTxxx)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/9 "2019-06-28T15:29:51Z")
> [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > Please don’t turn this thread into “ONE OF THOSE” threads you did that when you hit submit post. ---
**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/10 "2019-06-28T15:37:11Z")
So every PvP game is bullying? Or does this only apply to eve? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/11 "2019-06-28T16:23:23Z")
> [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > Hello, > > I’m interested in your opinions on the matter. > Where, in your opinion, pvp ends and bullying starts and vice versa in regards to EvE gameplay? > Can term ‘bullying’ be applied to EvE as so called ‘pvp’ focused game? > If yes, can you share definition of term ‘bullying’ you applied? > If no, can you share, what activity player should perform in regard to EvE gameplay, in order for this activity to be called by term ‘bullying’ by you. > > I’m curious. > Please don’t turn this thread into “ONE OF THOSE” threads 🙂 No because you consented to PvP when you joined the game. But losers calling the winners bullies is a great example of a sore loser. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/12 "2019-06-28T16:42:37Z")
As I see it, bullying in EVE is where the game mechanics stop and social harassment starts. Shooting someone’s ship is acceptable in any part of the game. In fact, it’s encouraged, explosions are good! PvP is a part of the game. If someone kills you over and over, that’s fine. If someone bumps you to stop you from warping away for a long period of time, that’s fine. If someone stays up day and night to hunt your ship whenever you log in and won’t let you mine/rat/whatever, that’s all part of the game. Bullying through chat is a different story. If people harass you there, ignore the person, report them or screenshot it and post it on reddit or something. Just remember that no actions of PvP in a PvP game should be considered bullying. That would be similar to playing a first person shooter or moba and being surprised when someone kills you. PvP is what you sign up for when you undock in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/13 "2019-06-28T19:08:05Z")
The Eula defines that clearly. Example, I search one particular player and kill / disturb him/her over and over again, despite he tries to avoid me. This does not apply to groups of course. In short, if it’s getting too personal, stop. Everything else is fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/14 "2019-06-28T19:18:00Z")
> [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > Where, in your opinion, pvp ends and bullying starts and vice versa in regards to EvE gameplay? There is no “bullying” in a video game you voluntarily play. The fact you can log out and make the bad space pirates go away means you have agency and you are not being bullied. > [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > Can term ‘bullying’ be applied to EvE as so called ‘pvp’ focused game? No. Well, no except in EULA-breaking edge cases where players take the game into real life via doxxing, real-life harassment or other such unacceptable behaviour. > [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > If no, can you share, what activity player should perform in regard to EvE gameplay, in order for this activity to be called by term ‘bullying’ by you. As above, none. Harassment of the persistent sort that prevents a player from enjoying the game crosses the line, and I completely agree with the EULA that prohibits it. That said, that isn’t “bullying”. Labeling it such devalues the term and is disrespectful to real victims of bullying who can’t escape their tormentors by just logging out. That said, others have different opinions. I suggestion you looking for a different view on the matter here: > **[Ganking is Bullying (v1.42)](https://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com/2014/03/ganking-is-bullying-v10_23.html)** > > (Updated 13 September 2016. The most recent additions and changes are marked in dark red. ) 1. Ganking is bullying? Yes. 2. Really? ... ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 7:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/15 "2019-06-28T19:24:00Z")
> [@Szkarlatyna](#): > > Where, in your opinion, pvp ends and bullying starts and vice versa in regards to EvE gameplay? There is no bullying in EvE gameplay. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 7:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/16 "2019-06-28T19:38:40Z")
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**Author:** ![Maekchu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maekchu/32/178692_2.png) [@Maekchu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maekchu)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/17 "2019-06-28T19:56:49Z")
You don’t play PvP to intimidate or harm anyone else. It’s competition. There sure is something wrong with you, if you think anytime anyone does anything PvP related (in any game or competition) they actually seek to harm and intimidate their opponent. > **[competition | Definition of competition in English by Lexico Dictionaries](https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/competition)** > > Definition of competition - The activity or condition of striving to gain or win something by defeating or establishing superiority over others. Also, why do these forums so often end up with people arguing over definitions of terms? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/18 "2019-06-28T20:08:53Z")
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**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 8:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/19 "2019-06-28T20:10:19Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/5/3/8538ae8f4d21f0b1d969aadc2e8ac52be94af128.png) [gankingisbullying.blogspot.com](https://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com/2014/03/ganking-is-bullying-v10_23.html) > > ### [Ganking is Bullying (v1.42)](https://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com/2014/03/ganking-is-bullying-v10_23.html) > > (Updated 13 September 2016. The most recent additions and changes are marked in dark red. ) 1. Ganking is bullying? Yes. 2. Really? … OMG, how come my kills never whine like that 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287/20 "2019-06-28T20:38:26Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > Well, how about a real definition of bullying? > > 1. bully > /ˈbʊli/ > _verb_ > gerund or present participle: **bullying** > seek to harm, intimidate, or coerce (someone perceived as vulnerable). > > 2.noun, plural bul·lies. > a blustering, quarrelsome, overbearing person who habitually badgers and intimidates > smaller or weaker people. > > In the pure sense of the word, PvP **is** bullying and in EvE it is even more so when a seasoned veteran stalks and then attacks a noob. > > Now, one who accepts to play a PvP/PvE game understands that he will meet stronger players who prey on weak players. That’s the game and part of the fun ( even if the fun is on the stronger attacker ) > So by consenting to play, the player nullifies the definition. This is like the quarterback claiming the defensive line is bullying him 🤣 ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/0/d/80d1935593c9ab06e3a29153487f401a767f2d25.gif "Private GIF") Die Care Bear!! 🙂 [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/pvp-vs-bullying/170287.md?page=2)