# \[Q2\] Blocking Warp Core Stabs from FW Acceleration Gates **URL:** \ **Category:** Upcoming Features & Changes\ **Created:** [April 1, 2018, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249 "2018-04-01T17:42:45Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/225 "2018-04-09T05:56:00Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > I am not a developer so address your question to the dev instead? Yeah I could but what would be the fun in that ? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/226 "2018-04-09T06:00:19Z")
That perhaps the dev gets a notification and actually answer your question or have a better chance to than hoping he’ll see your question in the shower of countless other posts? ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/227 "2018-04-09T06:06:34Z")
Well I have several uses for stabs in plexes other than to evade combat but I would gladly give them up to get rid of ships that don’t fight. So I don’t actually care but my guess would be slightly contrary so I won’t bother saying it. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/228 "2018-04-09T06:13:02Z")
I think it is mostly against bots and earlier discussions here brought up that if not stabbed they will fast align and/or pre-align instead to escape on the slightest notice of danger. So there is surely place for discussion and bringing in opinions as such could greatly aid the devs making related decisions. So if you would rather have a different solution then it is beneficial to share it especially if you even have a suggestion for the solution but even without it. I personally think it is true that there are other ways for risk aversion especially in case of bots which can instantly warp away (with a proper fit) even before anyone actually reaches the plex (using d-scan and/or overview recognition in the bot’s script or whatever which a bot can react to much quicker than a real player ever could). Though I am not knowledgeable enough to offer a solution myself but I see the issue. Though with that said it can be a temporary solution until a better one is conceived. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/229 "2018-04-09T06:56:41Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > if not stabbed they will fast align and/or pre-align instead to escape on the slightest notice of danger. This is true but that is bad enough without having to fit 3 scrams to catch them making yourself entirely helpless against any non stabbed ships that happen to be around. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/230 "2018-04-09T06:59:53Z")
Bots are not intended to fight so they rather have the extra safety of stabs than other stuff and also cheaper that way… I guess. Well at least that seems logical but am no expert so can’t be sure. This is why I think it still can be a somewhat temporary solution of sorts but not a permanent one. ---
**Author:** ![Agent\_5B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agent_5b/32/176874_2.png) [@Agent\_5B](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agent_5B)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/231 "2018-04-09T07:06:18Z")
I’ve killed hundreds of bots mostly I catch them on star gates not at the plexes. because they don’t have that extra time to escape while you are still exiting from warp. A bot usually becomes inactive once it is successfully pointed they just sit there and let you shoot them without retuning fire or trying to escape. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/232 "2018-04-09T13:00:58Z")
> [@Agent\_5B](#): > > Fairly sure that is a total pile of griffin dorf, I mean really so hard to kill that. everyone in the militia has access to implants for their respective faction’s sensor strength type. In conjunction with a single Sig amp or eccm scripted sebo, you have a high chance of catching that fit easily and killing it before the second cycle, while still being somewhat pvp viable against other things. This is why I asked for a repurposing of the navy Maulus as an anti-ecm ship with a sensor strength bonus. Gallente would be the right faction to have it anyway. I stand by the real solution being that the problem lies at the feet of defensive plexing overwhelmingly, if not entirely. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/233 "2018-04-09T15:07:23Z")
How about blocking pirate faction ships from novice plexes. I “T1” pirate faction ship has two bonuses, has T2 tank, and is T2 fast. Which effectively makes it T2… Let us look at the T1 Incursus 3/3/4 layout, bonus for armor rep and hybrid damage, 400/450/500 shield armor structure, 45/135/370 power cpu cap. Now lets look at the Garmur. 3/4/3, bonus for rockets/missiles range & damage bonus for scram/disrupt range. 680/590/560 shield armor structure. 38/178/400 power cpu cap. T2 Frigate time…Enyo. 5/3/4, bonus for hybrid damage, optimal range, tracking speed and reduction in MWD sig bloom. 372/879/1196 shield armor structure. 50/155/450 power cpu cap. While the Garmur isnt as good s a T2 assualt frigate, it is FAR better than any T1 Frigate. But still better if not on par with a T2 interceptor or Tackler. Which also cant get in Novice Plexes. I love pirate faction ships, but they are effectively T2 ships that alphas can fly. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/234 "2018-04-09T15:08:05Z")
> [@Oreb\_Wing](#): > > This is why I asked for a repurposing of the navy Maulus as an anti-ecm ship with a sensor strength bonus. Gallente would be the right faction to have it anyway. And give the Minmatar the sensor damp bonus… because target painting is a joke for EWAR. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/235 "2018-04-09T15:11:14Z")
Target painting is an under appreciated form of highly effective fleet ewar, in my opinion, and I love killing pirate ships in novices. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/236 "2018-04-09T15:14:39Z")
I have each of the EWAR skills trained to at least 4… TP being my first. I like it but it isnt that useful other than getting on killboards and helping the FC point out targets. Or having my cat bat at my screen… which is always fun. But as far as fights where the FC wants EWAR… most dont care if a dedicated TP ship is in fleet, they want the damps or jammers. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/237 "2018-04-09T15:16:34Z")
Paints are more helpful in damage application, not damage mitigation. They are like webs with a huge range. Gold if you are a skirmishing FC ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/238 "2018-04-09T15:18:43Z")
The last few fleet fights I have been in have Dreads, carriers, and battleships… which are pretty easy to hit because they DONT move fast. So Target Painters have been pointless. A dedicated jammer cruiser or BB can do more for a fleet in that case than any TP. You remove one damage dealer from the enemy fleet or kill their logi chain with a jam or a damp, and you will destroy them. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/239 "2018-04-09T15:24:19Z")
If you use HAW dreads too, you should take a serious look at the power that a paint has to make a difference. Almost better than a grappler. With a grappler? It’s stupid. In a good way. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/240 "2018-04-09T15:27:54Z")
Damping or jamming his Logi behind him will have a greater effect. No more cap, no more armor, no more a lot of things. Dont get me wrong, I dont HATE TPs, I just find them not as useful as ECM or Damps. Even weapon disruptors are a fair bit more handy than TPs. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/241 "2018-04-09T17:36:00Z")
Paints have their place, is all I’m saying, and unlike jamms, they don’t miss. Unlike damps, which rely on scripts, early locks or positioning, they are always effective. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 5:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/242 "2018-04-09T17:52:55Z")
I agree they have their place… that place is unfortunately not as widely useful as damps or jams, or really weapon disrupts. It is very rare I see fleets moving a bunch on the grid, when compared to a 1v1 fight or small fights of destroyers and frigates. Which is where I can see TPs being more useful, but even in that case they arent as useful as a disrupt or damp… which can effectively take a ship out of the fight. Or a ECM jammer that WILL take a ship out of the fight. And god forbid a burst jammer which can take whole sections out of the fight. – But on the topic of FW plex with warp core stabs… They arent the problem, it is honestly the Novice plex system letting Pirate Faction ships in them. ---
**Author:** ![Oreb\_Wing](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/oreb_wing/32/170827_2.png) [@Oreb\_Wing](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Oreb_Wing)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/243 "2018-04-09T18:00:17Z")
> [@LouHodo](#): > > But on the topic of FW plex with warp core stabs… They arent the problem, it is honestly the Novice plex system letting Pirate Faction ships in them. Doesn’t matter if I show up with a Daredevil or an Atron. Farmers gonna run. That’s what the thread is about. ---
**Author:** ![LouHodo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/louhodo/32/109593_2.png) [@LouHodo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LouHodo)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2018, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249/244 "2018-04-09T18:03:39Z")
If they run then they arent plexing. I do plexing when I am not in fleets. And there is nothing more frustrating than when you finally get a T1 frigate fight, someone comes jumping on grid in a Pirate faction frigate and obliterates both of us. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/q2-blocking-warp-core-stabs-from-fw-acceleration-gates/67249.md?page=13)