# Quantum cores make stations unaffordable for Joe/anne Sixpack, average EVE player **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 8, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628 "2021-04-08T05:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/243 "2021-04-09T17:38:20Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I will repeat and simplify a lot for you. I remove structure, you have no structure to bash. You have structure, but to bash structure you would have to destroy your own, what you do then? Obviously you will have to resort to some lucrative PvE untill completely bored. Yes, and if every single miner in eve stopped mining, we would have no new ships. And then who will the gankers gank? Their own mining ships? Ergo, we should stop ganking mining ships. This is the same argument you are trying to make. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/244 "2021-04-09T17:41:30Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Cores were a bad idea. Citadels were a bad idea. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/245 "2021-04-09T17:41:37Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > What changed for worse, you will get really boring one “right” corp citadel everywhere. And a lot of bored people who were made IMPOTENT. Except this didnt happen, and this doesnt happen. And we have an example of that, with POCOs and Omega and Friends Medialabs. The fact of the matter is, the “Right” corp knows that it isnt worth their time or money to drop a citadel at a rural, quiet system on the outskirts of hisec. Its not worth the money to fuel it. Its not worth the time to fuel it. This is why we will never have any single, or group of corps that own all the citadels in hisec, because any group knows its not worth it. ---
**Author:** ![hellokittyonline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hellokittyonline/32/244672_2.png) [@hellokittyonline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/hellokittyonline)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/246 "2021-04-09T17:45:44Z")
The entitlement of these kids today is actually mind-blowing. You shouldn’t be allowed a structure if you are not prepared to defend it. The fact that CCP lets you keep your structure in a holding corp so you never have to bother PvPing and you’re STILL complaining tells me you need to play something else. Eve online is not for you @Bylee_Bahb ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/247 "2021-04-09T17:45:57Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > because any group knows its not worth it. Everyone knows that. That citadel will not happen. Especially when you have to invest into core that will lure every “right” corp structure basher. CCP throw the baby out with the bathwater. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/248 "2021-04-09T17:50:17Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Everyone knows that. That citadel will not happen. > Especially when you have to invest into core that will lure every “right” corp structure basher. You say that everyone knows that. And then you say that everyone doesnt, by saying that even the citadels in the remotest regions will be targetted by the “Right” corp structure basher. Well, in this case, you are using two different definitions of “right”. The first, “right” corp is a large corp that doesnt care about a mere 800 million isk drop, and cares even less about dropping an additional 1.1 billion plus fueling every month or year or however long. The second “right” corp is a small corp that does care about 800 million isk drop, Which is small, so it can easily be fended off by the defenders, and thus become irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/249 "2021-04-09T17:56:44Z")
By “right” I mean the corporation that is in blue donut, and they will gladly take 800M core from someone. They dont have to make citadels there. They have already some that will not be attacked by some puny corps. Gerard Amatin is an axample. He is from the “right” corp. He will not shoot allies, he is a megacorp member that is in blue donut, and he will always be there to shot your puny corp structure. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/250 "2021-04-09T18:01:15Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > By “right” I mean the corporation that is in blue donut, and they will gladly take 800M core from someone. They dont have to make citadels there. They have already some that will not be attacked by some puny corps. This doesnt happen and this hasnt happened. Not with citadels. Not even with POCOs. When it does happen, then maybe you might have a leg to stand on. But until then, this is all “Ifs” and “Buts”. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/251 "2021-04-09T18:08:09Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > When it does happen It happened before on chinese server. Why wouldnt it happen again? Will Gerard be forced to shoot blues already? We will see. PAPI said they dont want another Serenity. But we will see. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/252 "2021-04-09T18:09:41Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > It happened before on chinese server. Why wouldnt it happen again? Will Gerard be forced to shoot blues already? We will see. I’m seeing more than enough non-blues everywhere, thanks for your concern. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/253 "2021-04-09T18:16:39Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > It happened before on chinese server. WHy wouldnt it happen again? Will Gerard be forced to shoot allies already? We will see. Sure. And Serenity was rife with corruption as their players bribed CCCP employees(See what i did thar?) to get special perks, ending with a single corporation owning nullsec. China is a different beast than the rest of the world. What youre basically saying is “Who knows, in 2 years there could be a single corporation that owns all of nullsec, therefore we should eliminate sov mechanics”. Well, when that happens, then maybe you might have a leg to stand on. But until then, it just sounds ridiculous and isnt happening any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/254 "2021-04-09T18:24:13Z")
> [@Solonius\_Rex](#): > > until then Yes, until then, because its coming sooner or later. The ultimate fate of every small scale niche game is that one alliance overwhelms others, defeated people flip sides in the end or quit, and server can be restarted. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/255 "2021-04-09T18:26:12Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Yes, until then, because its coming sooner or later. The ultimate fate of every small scale niche game is that one alliance overwhelms others, defeated people flip sides in the end or quit, and server can be restarted. Sure. And eventually, sooner or later, we all die. Doesnt mean we should stop living and kill ourselves. Maybe water is toxic to human beings. Maybe someone who doesnt drink water will live to be 500 years old. But until you demonstrate it and bring good arguments and evidence, were not going to take you seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/256 "2021-04-09T18:30:52Z")
Cores were only catalyst, you could have seen the stats for citadels, the start of the end. This war in nullsc is also catalyst that makes it come faster the ever. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/257 "2021-04-09T18:34:31Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Cores were only catalyst, you could have seen the stats for citadels, the start of the end. We actually had the stats for citadels. And the number of citadels in hisec is _staggering_. > **[A4E - Structure statistics](https://www.adam4eve.eu/stats_structures.php)** ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/258 "2021-04-09T18:37:57Z")
Aside from high-sec PvP = bad, what exactly is your argument? What are you proposing, and what kind of change(s) would/should it have on the game? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/259 "2021-04-09T18:46:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > what kind of change(s) would/should it have on the game? Well, clearly he is trying to say that structures should cost minimal isk when deploying in hisec and minimal upkeep, so that we can have each system littered with so many structures that no group would ever even bother going after structures as they are just too cheap and easy to replace. Imagine if Titans cost 1 tritanium to produce and could be skilled by an alpha after 2 weeks, everyone would have a titan and therefore no group could control nullsec because a flood of titans would just come as a wave against you. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/260 "2021-04-09T19:46:02Z")
> [@JuuR\_Zibaoo](#): > > CCP never wanted solo players to have citadels > EVE is a multiplayer game … you should interact with other players > that was the plan > > JuuR good thinking let’s ban 1 player multi-boxing 12 gankers or miner toons. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/261 "2021-04-09T19:54:51Z")
Dont put words in anyones mouth. You have no idea what I wanted. I say that cores are detrimental to player experience. I wanted modular POS from beginning, redone code and visuals, not the idea. I was disappointed with Citadels from beginning. Citadels are CCP doing that always had multiple issues and they were always worse than POS mechanic for me. CCP trips over their own shoes with those citadels. Repeatedly. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Aside from high-sec PvP = bad And where did you read that? Here I am writing that cores = less independent citadels = less content in high sec. I dont like that. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/262 "2021-04-09T19:58:02Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > And where did you read that? It’s kind of the general vibe your posts are giving off. If that’s not your intent, you need to add details and explanations so that we have more context. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628.md?page=12) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628.md?page=14)