# Quantum cores make stations unaffordable for Joe/anne Sixpack, average EVE player **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [April 8, 2021, 5:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628 "2021-04-08T05:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/123 "2021-04-08T14:49:50Z")
> [@Aahz\_If](#): > > > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > > > And you can do PVE to make isk. > > There’s no PvE in this game, everywhere is PvP. Then do PvP to make ISK? ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/124 "2021-04-08T14:50:10Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > In other words, you want to play in the sandbox but don’t want to get your hands dirty with sand I’d rather keep my hands clean, yea. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/125 "2021-04-08T14:50:11Z")
Incursions, abyssal, missions, mining, ratting. Those are all player vs environment. Yes pvp can happen, but mostly it’s all pve ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/126 "2021-04-08T14:50:42Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Then do PvP to make ISK? I can’t. I don’t have the skill, isk or the PvP ship for it. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/127 "2021-04-08T14:51:43Z")
> [@Aahz\_If](#): > > I’d rather keep my hands clean, yea. If you want to keep your hands clean and don’t want sand on your hands, maybe find a hobby that’s not a sandbox? ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/128 "2021-04-08T14:52:04Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Yes pvp can happen It will happen so all those so-called PvE activities are really PvP disguised as PvE. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/129 "2021-04-08T14:52:55Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > If you want to keep your hands clean and don’t want sand on your hands, maybe find a hobby that’s not a sandbox I did. I found EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/130 "2021-04-08T14:54:36Z")
> [@Aahz\_If](#): > > > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > > If you want to keep your hands clean and don’t want sand on your hands, maybe find a hobby that’s not a sandbox > > I did. I found EVE Online. Yet you are complaining that you do not want to get your hands dirty in this game to build your own sand castle? Keep looking, there must be a game better suited to your tastes. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/131 "2021-04-08T14:55:12Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Yet you are complaining that you do not want to get your hands dirty in this game to build your own sand castle? No, I was humoring your ridiculous assertion. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/132 "2021-04-08T14:56:06Z")
You’re getting close. PvE activities are there to enable PvP, and in the most general of terms are also PvP activities because you’re almost always in competition with other players because most of the rewards end up changing hands through the market; which can be the most brutal PvP of all. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/133 "2021-04-08T14:57:10Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > PvE activities are there to enable PvP, and in the most general of terms are also PvP activities because you’re almost always in competition with other players Like I said. PvP disguised as PvE, so there is no actual PvE. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/134 "2021-04-08T15:03:58Z")
Ratting, mining etc are “traditional” PvE activities; right up until someone makes it PvP by either using the rewards on the market, or the person engaged in PvE gets shot in the face. This is by design, CCP consider every activity in Eve to be PvP; the confusion arises because some of those activities are traditionaly classed as PvE in other games. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/135 "2021-04-08T15:05:35Z")
So, let’s recap. I have established, beyond doubt, that EVE Online isn’t a Sandbox game. Also established is the fact that PvE is non-existent without the PvP component in EVE, there’s only a _hint_ of PvE but, in the words of @Gerard_Amatin, there is no **pure** PvE. That’s all I wanted to point out and establish in this thread under the topic: Quantum makes stations Unaffordable because **EVE is NOT a Sandbox**. Thank you all for participating. Have a good day. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/136 "2021-04-08T15:06:36Z")
> [@Aahz\_If](#): > > I have established, beyond doubt, that EVE Online isn’t a Sandbox game. Doubt. > [@Aahz\_If](#): > > Also established is the fact that PvE is non-existent without the PvP component in EVE, there’s only a _hint_ of PvE but, in the words of @Gerard_Amatin, there is no **pure** PvE. No. I said the opposite: EVE is not a pure _PvP_ game. > [@Aahz\_If](#): > > Quantum makes stations Unaffordable because **EVE is NOT a Sandbox**. Just because you’re too poor to afford a station doesn’t mean people in general cannot put one down. I cannot afford one either by the way, at least not to put one down and defend it on my own, but that changes nothing about whether EVE is a sandbox or not… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/137 "2021-04-08T15:07:09Z")
How is the affordability of Quantum Cores related to whether Eve has PvE, is a sandbox, or not? ---
**Author:** ![King\_Lono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/king_lono/32/266248_2.png) [@King\_Lono](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/King_Lono)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/138 "2021-04-08T15:09:33Z")
Wait was the topic you not being able to afford a station or a debate if eve is a sandbox? You should read the definition of sandbox. [Sandbox game - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_game) Seems like you just want to be handed everything for free or close to it. ---
**Author:** ![Aahz\_If](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aahz_if/32/265760_2.png) [@Aahz\_If](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aahz_If)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/139 "2021-04-08T15:10:35Z")
> [@King\_Lono](#): > > Seems like you just want to be handed everything for free or close to it Oh gosh another troll 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/140 "2021-04-08T15:11:58Z")
> [@Aahz\_If](#): > > Oh gosh another troll 🙄 Broken finger? > **(Reference to earlier post)** > > > [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > > > > [@Aahz\_If](#): > > > > > > Finally, a forum member who isn’t a troll. > > > > If it hurts when you press with your finger on any place of your body, no matter where you press, maybe the finger is broken? ---
**Author:** ![King\_Lono](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/king_lono/32/266248_2.png) [@King\_Lono](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/King_Lono)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/141 "2021-04-08T15:12:27Z")
Just like the sand box argument. You don’t seem to know what a troll is either. Here you go. [Internet troll - Wikipedia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll) ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2021, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-make-stations-unaffordable-for-joe-anne-sixpack-average-eve-player/304628/142 "2021-04-08T15:14:24Z")
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