# Quantum Cores...the Return of the POS **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 1, 2020, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444 "2020-11-01T20:34:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/61 "2020-11-02T14:15:28Z")
I don’t understand… You act like you are not able to do so anymore in highsec. What is stopping you from putting up a raitaru like so many 1 man corps have already? The Core is already required when you put up a structure now. People are not afraid to. In lowsec you need to fight for you right to exist. ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/62 "2020-11-02T14:17:36Z")
You can’t get Noxcium in high sec. Welcome to the thread btw. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/63 "2020-11-02T14:18:12Z")
Nothing is stopping you from moving the required ore to high. ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/64 "2020-11-02T14:19:44Z")
Do you really think someone is going to increase their jump rate from low to high a hundredfold with raw ore to compress it? The whole point of compression is to reduce hauling. Not to mention solo miners will have to setup in quiet lowsec systems that are far from high sec. If you can’t compress the ore in the same system you’re mining it…it’s not worth mining it. ---
**Author:** ![God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/god_emperor_kane/32/399336_2.png) [@God\_Emperor\_Kane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/God_Emperor_Kane)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/65 "2020-11-02T14:23:14Z")
So yes… that is correct. If you want to solo it will be harder. That is how it works. Nothing is stopping you from forming a group and taking over a region or system for your needs. You want CCP to fix that for you because it is hard. But I understand now you want the easy way. EDIT: No amount of typing or responding from you is now going to convince me your post is for the good of the game. It is all about you. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/66 "2020-11-02T14:25:06Z")
> [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > If CCP deems it an “exploit” because the little guys can grab some noxcium, it would immediately imply that CCP itself acting on the behalf of giant power blocs No, thats what you infer from it. > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > CCP devs are playing the game and abusing their power to alter the game to their own ends Uh, they do. Its called managing their business? > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > No little guy is going to setup a Raitaru post January with a 100% Quantum Core drop. True, but in my case that has literally zero to do with being afraid of baddies and more I refuse to pay 200% mark up on something that earns very little in HS in the first place. > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > You can’t get Noxcium in high sec. Yes, you can. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/d/5d6b487911b6376e4f060a5188c58ccd6eb69e2b.png) ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/67 "2020-11-02T14:25:45Z")
You act as if solo mining in low sec is easy… If someone manages to procure the ore in low sec, then they’ve already accomplished a very difficult task. Making it a HUNRDED TIMES MORE DIFFICULT (literally since ore compression is a hundredfold) and time consuming (again literally) due to the lack of compression makes it not worth doing at all. Without the ability to compress the ore, Noxcium will only be available to Null Sec Power blocs in locust fleets and low sec cartels. The price will skyrocket and the supply will be artificially withheld against a demand…a demand that every object in this game requires to be manufactured. This is a nightmare. So God forbid the little guys can day trip with a POS compression array…right? The challenge to low sec mining should be the acquisition of the ore, not the compression. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/68 "2020-11-02T14:28:06Z")
Maybe you should set up your manufacturing in lowsec, so you don’t have to haul so much around. ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/69 "2020-11-02T14:33:05Z")
I manufacture in Null, all of my assets are there as well. And I’m certainly not going to be trading ABC/Merc for monopolized Noxcium. Not in a million years ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/70 "2020-11-02T14:34:27Z")
How much raw Nox can you fit in a Bustard these days anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/71 "2020-11-02T14:37:46Z")
Raw Ore --\> Compressed Ore --\> Refinery —\> Noxicum. If the miner refines the ore in low sec, he’ll lose too much of it to be worth the hassle of mining. Ore must be refined by an alt/friend with max skills/implants at the appropriate rigged upwell structure. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/72 "2020-11-02T14:39:38Z")
> [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > I manufacture in Null, all of my assets are there as well. > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > Without the ability to compress the ore, Noxcium will only be available to Null Sec Power blocs in locust fleets and low sec cartels. I don’t get it. Are you part of the null sec power blocs or aren’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/73 "2020-11-02T14:40:59Z")
> [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > Ore must be refined by an alt/friend Why? Why have two alts when you only need one? > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > at the appropriate rigged upwell structure. And you are saying theres no refineries in Low or Null? And youve avoided the point that Nox does in fact still grow in High Sec, I see ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/74 "2020-11-02T14:41:44Z")
There’s a difference between being in a null sec power bloc, and being the upper echelon of a null sec power bloc. Just because you keep a cap on standby in the umbrella doesn’t mean you get to set the schedules and plans for low sec mining operations. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/75 "2020-11-02T14:42:07Z")
But it must mean you get access to Alliance or Corp facilities, right? ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/76 "2020-11-02T14:42:39Z")
Yes, and? Those are located in Null sec. There’s no Noxcium there. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/77 "2020-11-02T14:43:31Z")
> [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > Ore must be refined … at the appropriate rigged upwell structure. You said this. Why does your Alliance/Corp not operate an appropriate structure at your mining site? > [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](#): > > Null sec. There’s no Noxcium there. Oh now you are just being silly. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/79 "2020-11-02T14:44:42Z")
Yeah if you are going to have that attitude, I see you arent actually interested in discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archimedes_eratosthenes/32/305556_2.png) [@Archimedes\_Eratosthenes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archimedes_Eratosthenes)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/80 "2020-11-02T14:45:35Z")
You’re creating strawmen. What do refineries in null have to do with low sec ore? You’re the one subverting the discussion. You’re also trying to advocate that gun mining Noxcium (via the reprocessing of NPC loot) will be a competitive source of Noxcium, since I can’t imagine what else you’re trying to prove that photo: [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/d/5d6b487911b6376e4f060a5188c58ccd6eb69e2b.png) ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/d/5d6b487911b6376e4f060a5188c58ccd6eb69e2b.png) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444/81 "2020-11-02T14:47:42Z")
Whatevs, you lost the plot the moment you started resorting to name-calling. See ya. Edit: Pretty funny jape to edit the name you called me out of the post and then flag my response. Still stands that You can get Nox in High, even though you claimed otherwise, you can refine and compress in Low and Null if you have support (which you kinda should have if you are doing serious industry there) and then accuse me of strawmanning when there’s literaly nothing stopping you doing any of those things. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-the-return-of-the-pos/277444.md?page=5)