# Quantum Cores - Updates begin 8 September **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [September 1, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126 "2020-09-01T15:55:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 100
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2048 "2020-09-16T00:09:06Z")
What _about_ me? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2049 "2020-09-16T00:12:20Z")
Well, y’know, no kills in 6 years. Kinda less ‘wolf’ and more ‘loud yappy shitzu in the back yard’, ain’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2050 "2020-09-16T00:13:17Z")
Oh, this nonsense again. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2051 "2020-09-16T00:14:32Z")
Hey, I’m sorry if you don’t like the public image you present. Kinda what happens if you’re gonna talk big and then I guess claim you’re on an alt because… I dunno, your main is so awesome the whole forum would be blinded by it, or something? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2052 "2020-09-16T00:19:25Z")
Well, first of all, I was away for a couple of years due to RL stuff, and came back early this year. Second, I have almost a dozen accounts. This _is_ my main, and the character I’ve always used on the forums, so why would I change that? I’m doing the bulk of my playing on other characters right now. Should I only be posting on the one that was the last to get a kill, or what? I don’t really get the logic behind this gripe. Would starting a few wars and killing a few dumb carebears suddenly give me an air of legitimacy I don’t (according to _some_) otherwise have? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2053 "2020-09-16T00:23:52Z")
It wouldn’t _hurt_. But, y’know, claims of wolfery ring pretty hollow with no actual savaged livestock in sight. Especially when you’re making authoritative claims like saying new players ‘very rarely’ buy PLEX, and pushing the viewpoint that new players aren’t willing to push into a citadel despite still flying barges. Presenting yourself as someone who can make these strong declarations about how everyone in the game behaves is pretty much at odds with ‘yeah, I haven’t been around for a few years, and only got back like six months ago’. If I was gone for the game for 2+ years, I sure as hell wouldn’t be trying to tell other people what the current crop of new players does or doesn’t do. S’all I’m sayin’. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2054 "2020-09-16T00:31:24Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > It wouldn’t _hurt_ . I don’t see how. It’s not like I’m posting on an NPC-corped alt with no combat history whatsoever. Actually, zKill is only showing less than a third of the kills on this character (and corporation as a whole), and Squizz told me I’d have to post the rest manually. And I’m lazy. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Especially when you’re making authoritative claims like saying new players ‘very rarely’ buy PLEX I talked about this elsewhere, but for context: I’ve done a whole lot of infiltration on targets for extortion. Pretending to be a new player and sitting in those corporations gave me a _lot_ of perspective on their playing and spending habits. New players do _not_ rush to monetarily invest into the game, with the exception of a small percentage that tries to pay their way to success. But _most_ PLEX purchasing, in high-sec corporations with a high new player presence, is _not_ done by those new players. > [@Arrendis](#): > > and pushing the viewpoint that new players aren’t willing to push into a citadel despite still flying barges I don’t think I said _that_. What I did say is that they are, but _shouldn’t_ be. > [@Arrendis](#): > > If I was gone for the game for 2+ years, I sure as hell wouldn’t be trying to tell other people what the current crop of new players does or doesn’t do. But I’ve played for a few months now, and so far, I’m not seeing any major differences with regard to player psychology compared to how things were back then. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2055 "2020-09-16T00:33:45Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Pretending to be a new player and sitting in those corporations gave me a _lot_ of perspective on their playing and spending habits. Right, right… 2+ years ago, So for about half the time citadels have been in, you weren’t there, and weren’t infiltrating the newbie corps. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t think I said _that_ . What I did say is that they are, but _shouldn’t_ be. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Show me how many “newer players” are spending 2-3 billion to fully set up even a basic citadel, when they themselves are flying T1 cruisers and mining barges. Oops. Looks like y’did say that. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But I’ve played for a few months now, and so far, I’m not seeing any major differences with regard to player psychology compared to how things were back then. Ok, so in the last few months, you’d extensively infiltrated massive numbers of new player orgs? I mean, I don’t think you did. There’s a fair number of new player orgs that wouldn’t let you in, because they actually want to know the people they play with _first_. Edit to add: There’s a fair number of new-player-focused corps that are actively part of massive nullsec orgs, giving players a taste of the advantages of structure ownership. I’m assuming you’re _not_ talking about those. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 12:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2056 "2020-09-16T00:43:01Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Oops. Looks like y’did say that. I think you’re misunderstanding my point. Desire often conflicts with ability. New players _want_ to own structures, but that’s usually a long-term goal for them. I’ve done this a few times since I started playing early spring, and citadels usually dominated corporate discussions and planning. They _work toward_ citadel ownership, but not all are able to achieve it. Their access to citadels almost exclusively comes from the older players providing said access. I don’t think you’ll be able to find a point of contention with the claim that new players don’t have billions of ISK lying around. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Ok, so in the last few months, you’d extensively infiltrated massive numbers of new player orgs? I mean, I don’t think you did. Just a couple so far (about half a dozen). I’m not _extremely_ active right now. > [@Arrendis](#): > > There’s a fair number of new player orgs that wouldn’t let you in, because they actually want to know the people they play with _first_ . Groups with proper security aren’t good targets. If they’re competent enough to keep me out, they’re _probably_ competent enough to drive away a small group of attackers, too. But such groups aren’t very common. > [@Arrendis](#): > > Edit to add: There’s a fair number of new-player-focused corps that are actively part of massive nullsec orgs, giving players a taste of the advantages of structure ownership. I’m assuming you’re _not_ talking about those. Correct, I’m not. But then again, they don’t fit this discussion anyway. They are highly militarized, competent organizations, and the additional costs that quantum cores will place upon them will be insignificant. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2057 "2020-09-16T04:58:00Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I think you’re misunderstanding my point. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I don’t think you’ll be able to find a point of contention with the claim that new players don’t have billions of ISK lying around. Unless, as we’ve seen _way_ too many do over the years, they’re wallet-warrioring, using PLEX to get a lot of ISK in an effort to ‘catch up’ or jump start their progress. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2058 "2020-09-16T05:07:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Unless, as we’ve seen _way_ too many do over the years, they’re wallet-warrioring, using PLEX to get a lot of ISK in an effort to ‘catch up’ or jump start their progress. _Some_ do, yes. In fact, I’ve _recently_ seen some pretty crazy stuff, like a 3-day-old player losing multiple Navy Dominixes with mining lasers to Trig patrols levels of crazy. But only a small amount of new players will approach the game that way compared to the total new player population. _Most_ contemporary new players approach EVE from a F2P perspective, and in the F2P world, something like 2% does 98% of the paying. But hey, even if someone _wants_ to blow money on this game to set up a station right away, that’s kind of on them. They’re willing spenders, so why should we be concerned about quantum cores in that regard? Let them feed the economy. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 5:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2059 "2020-09-16T05:30:53Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > But only a small amount of new players will approach the game that way compared to the total new player population. In the wake of Korean localization, we saw that ‘small amount’ jump up pretty well. ---
**Author:** ![Steveness](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/steveness/32/188089_2.png) [@Steveness](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Steveness)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 11:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2060 "2020-09-16T11:59:57Z")
@Arrendis any way then we can suggest he take a year off …go sit in Fiji on a beach…leave the Dev’s the hell alone. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2061 "2020-09-16T18:43:23Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Hey, I’m sorry if you don’t like the public image you present. Kinda what happens if you’re gonna talk big and then I guess claim you’re on an alt because… I dunno, your main is so awesome the whole forum would be blinded by it, or something? I don’t get a kill in four days, and I start getting “holy ■■■■, Brisc undocked” jokes from Horde guys in local. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2062 "2020-09-17T04:05:08Z")
And that’s when you hit 'em with the “I was killing your momma with my alt yesterday.” ---
**Author:** ![Chaibat](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chaibat/32/230209_2.png) [@Chaibat](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chaibat)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2063 "2020-09-17T16:04:06Z")
So rather than kill two birds with one stone by making asset safety part of the drop mechanic where hangars have a 20% chance of going into a loot bucket (even online strux) and following the ship drop mechanic, you’re going to make all structures double the price? Not everyone is wealthy and in the case of refineries, the moon mineral prices have dropped significantly already, making them less likely to break even or profit already. I guess you’ll have to address all the loot drop theft whining that will happen again as well since all but XL can be scooped by a DST or smaller. ---
**Author:** ![Tau\_Cabalander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_cabalander/32/373930_2.png) [@Tau\_Cabalander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Cabalander)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2064 "2020-09-17T16:20:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Alternatively, CCP thought through the consequences and does not share your concern for all of the highsec farmers with useless stations in war-immunity holding corps. … and they purposely forgot about w-space, and the back-pedaling on that is just a ruse for the benefit of the Eve community. It is all carefully planned and strategized. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2065 "2020-09-18T15:15:06Z")
There is no issue with people attacking larger then small structures? Anything bigger then small already drops a lot and seems to be worth the trouble. What happened to abandoned? This seems pretty ridiculous. And how do you get cores into WHs that you built your structures in because of owning it for so long and holes are too small for larger ships to get through. Way to punish WH again. ---
**Author:** ![Pedro\_Yurgin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pedro_yurgin/32/361653_2.png) [@Pedro\_Yurgin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pedro_Yurgin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2066 "2020-09-18T15:17:17Z")
I’d be okay with upping the price to get into structures, but you have to roll back the nerf on them and double the building inputs, not this. Why would the counsel think this was a good idea? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2020, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/2067 "2020-09-18T16:04:53Z")
> [@Pedro\_Yurgin](#): > > Why would the counsel think this was a good idea? Because it is. It provides incentive to destroy structures, and conflict is content. The only people it’s a problem for are the PvE-only farmers who don’t belong in EVE. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126.md?page=99) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126.md?page=101)