# Quantum Cores - Updates begin 8 September **URL:** \ **Category:** Dev Blogs\ **Tags:** feedback, official, devblog\ **Created:** [September 1, 2020, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126 "2020-09-01T15:55:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1950 "2020-09-10T23:55:06Z")
> [@KAELA\_MENSHA](#): > > Maybe they bought the plex to become omega Why would you ever do that instead of buying omega status directly? ---
**Author:** ![KAELA\_MENSHA](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kaela_mensha/32/224515_2.png) [@KAELA\_MENSHA](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/KAELA_MENSHA)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2020, 11:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1951 "2020-09-10T23:56:23Z")
No keyloggers I prefer to use the telephone. One was my best man when I got married. ---
**Author:** ![NoaIV\_lambertsen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noaiv_lambertsen/32/245258_2.png) [@NoaIV\_lambertsen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NoaIV_lambertsen)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1952 "2020-09-11T04:57:23Z")
well i know many that were on daily before the change to moons ya have not seen them login in 3 months and as is prices for things like say ice are now lower then when eve went free all because there is no demand for the parts don’t ask about hs moon mining that dead as hell now if ccp runs off all the ship builders and miners i wish their pvp players luck since if no one is building the ships and other parts for their ships good luck replacing them ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1953 "2020-09-11T05:55:06Z")
> [@NoaIV\_lambertsen](#): > > now if ccp runs off all the ship builders and miners i wish their pvp players You do know the most serious pvpers are often the most serious builders also right. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 7:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1954 "2020-09-11T07:01:23Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Your off-topic and/or insulting posts are getting flagged because they are inappropriate. Please do not try to hijack this thread into a whine session about getting flagged. Plenty of people here are posting a variety of opinions and disagreeing with each other without getting flagged. Well,BUDDY… My post was -as i prognosed- reviewed and unflagged. YOU with your ‘i abuse the flagging system because i don’t like your opinion’ fetish is hereby denied and taken to the dump where it belongs… So stop it,even the devs are not on your side…which is maybe hard to believe regarding my ‘oh so bad’ reputation here… Must be the case the devs think YOU are far worse than me…🙂 I represent an opinion valid or not…you just want to censor other opinions because they are not yours… And again the mods will have to unflag one of my posts because some dude is not able to stand an opinion that is not his… Doesn’t that get old? And now reflag it to prepare it for being unflaggeed as so many times before… ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1957 "2020-09-11T07:35:41Z")
> [@KAELA\_MENSHA](#): > > Have done just that, the only time they log on is to change skills. We keep seeing variations on this claim. Why would anyone log-on just to change skills if they never log-on to actually play the game ? Even if it’s just for skill-farming, what are they going to do with the isk from that activity if they, once again, never log-on to actually play the game ? ---
**Author:** ![Tau\_Cabalander](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tau_cabalander/32/373930_2.png) [@Tau\_Cabalander](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tau_Cabalander)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1958 "2020-09-11T07:44:54Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > We keep seeing variations on this claim. Why would anyone log-on just to change skills if they never log-on to actually play the game ? Even if it’s just for skill-farming, what are they going to do with the isk from that activity if they, once again, never log-on to actually play the game ? OCD. A friend subscribed for years (since 2003), and only kept his skill-queue full. He unsubscribed when he pretty much ran out of skills (only titans left - was before the added trig skills and such). ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1959 "2020-09-11T08:15:10Z")
Aaammmmm… Null Sec sort of IS on fire right now. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1960 "2020-09-11T08:23:38Z")
I disagree, without Indy players there would be no PvP players because there wouldn’t be anything to blow up. Also vice versa, without gun happy PvPers to whom would you sell all the stuff you build. Thing is the established indy player can can roll a hell of a lot more isk than PvPer. Miners will always mine, gankers will gank, and everyone will keep bitching about one another 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1961 "2020-09-11T08:27:31Z")
> [@Vixie\_Trix](#): > > I disagree, without Indy players there would be no PvP players because there wouldn’t be anything to blow up. Not sure if you read any decent chunk of this thread or what (don’t blame you if not, it’s 2,000 posts), but, no, as has been mentioned before, we can build our own stuff just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1962 "2020-09-11T08:32:01Z")
I read a good part of it, just disagreeing with the statement that CCP is trying to get rid of indy players, that’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1963 "2020-09-11T08:57:58Z")
> [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > We keep seeing variations on this claim. Why would anyone log-on just to change skills if they never log-on to actually play the game ? Even if it’s just for skill-farming, what are they going to do with the isk from that activity if they, once again, never log-on to actually play the game ? Waiting for better times of this game and not beeing able to let it loose yet because of memories and friendships ingame? Many i know are actually not ‘playing’ because of ccp’s strange decisions f.e. with moon mining and pve hindering npc,others have already left the game annoyed. Carry on ignoring it ccp…way to go until you have to close the server. ---
**Author:** ![Vixie\_Trix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vixie_trix/32/204999_2.png) [@Vixie\_Trix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vixie_Trix)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1966 "2020-09-11T09:56:22Z")
Waiting for better times, that’s just a load of Cr…, you either play the game and enjoy it or you don’t, simple as that, people who got bored with it should do them selves a favor and uninstall… but to each his own right… In any case, I don’t see the server closing any time soon. ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1967 "2020-09-11T13:48:23Z")
A quick visit to Twitch last night showed 5 out 14 streamers running Abyssal sites - About a third of content creators promoting this PvP arena on EvEs main marketing channel of social discourse does not reflect negatively on this aspect of the game - given the volume I would say it activley promotes new player participation. ---
**Author:** ![Wargod7850\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wargod7850_deninard/32/261169_2.png) [@Wargod7850\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wargod7850_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1968 "2020-09-11T13:57:58Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Hardly. Solo players can work just fine with NPC stations, they don’t need their own space house. Clearly, your not a industrialist, whether you have or use another persons station, its helps in the Market PVP that we deal with. Which is just as cutthroat as blowing up each others ships and since reactions can only be done in low sec, well we’ll have to see how the price of your ships goes up. Circle of life… ---
**Author:** ![Iowa\_Banshee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iowa_banshee/32/218394_2.png) [@Iowa\_Banshee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iowa_Banshee)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1969 "2020-09-11T14:21:19Z")
A quick visit to Twitch last night showed 5 out 14 streamers running Abyssal sites - About a third of content creators promoting this PvP arena on EvEs main marketing channel of social discourse does not reflect negatively on this aspect of the game - given the volume I would say it activley promotes new player participation. Edit: Additional - The point of introducing you to the psychology behind the solo pve / group pve / pvp player progression is to highlight the way Quantum Cores (in Hi-sec) break this progression for new industrialists. For the budding industrialist the next step should be wanting to move to low/null sec to build bigger things - not giving up. I am not saying make it completely safe, what I am saying this mechanic introduces a road block and negative reaction (paying for your own bounty sucks big-time) that disrupts the desired progress path out of Hi-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ikarus\_Cesaille](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ikarus_cesaille/32/255998_2.png) [@Ikarus\_Cesaille](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ikarus_Cesaille)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1970 "2020-09-11T16:14:34Z")
> [@Alfonzor\_Dilapidus](#): > > The first cruiser a player ever buys probably represents 90% of their ISK, where for an older player who might engage in PVP with that new player, the ship they use probably represents 0.01% of their ISK. This is why we have created two pvp programs aimed at new players. First one is a basic frigate fleet pvp program where we teach them the basics of fleet flying and how to apply for SRP and track operations that are coming up. This allows them to learn the basics without much isk investments as we use 1mil frigates for these fleets. We do not hand them out for free as we want them to understand the value of the ships, fitting them up and using doctrines and then finally applying for SRP if they lose them. Then we have operations where we hand out feroxes and nagas where they can experience more advanced pvp without the risk of losing any isk. We try to use these programs to get people into pvp so that they can cross that initial barrier. From here they can then advance into null or whatever if they think they love pvp. But not all people love pvp so we allow them also to remain in HS. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1972 "2020-09-11T16:36:01Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Yes and forcing 2/3 of your playerbase to play a gamestyle they don’t like nor want and not ask for is what will kill this game. You’ve been saying this for years, even though EVE’s best growth and success came in an era where this supposed “2/3 of the playerbase” had far more PvP threats to deal with. And somehow, no matter how much CCP nerfs highsec PvP, EVE’s player numbers never increase the way you claim they will. It’s like everything you say is utter nonsense based on numbers that are obviously false… > [@Dravick\_Afterthought](#): > > Why would anyone log-on just to change skills if they never log-on to actually play the game ? Probably as an investment in a hypothetical future when they want to come back to EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Darlo\_Kubika](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darlo_kubika/32/178136_2.png) [@Darlo\_Kubika](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darlo_Kubika)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1973 "2020-09-11T16:36:26Z")
Yeah whatever…we know only your playstyle counts and any other approach to the game can simply stick it…you said the crap so many times now but still it’s wrong and will be wrong regardless you say it… ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2020, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126/1974 "2020-09-11T16:37:19Z")
> [@Darlo\_Kubika](#): > > Yeah whatever…we know only your playstyle counts and any other approach to the game can simply stick it…you said the crap so many times now but still it’s wrong and will be wrong regardless you say it Says the person quoting imaginary player numbers that go directly against the indisputable historical numbers. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126.md?page=95) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/quantum-cores-updates-begin-8-september/264126.md?page=97)