# Question about UFOs and ETs (highly niche interest) **URL:** \ **Category:** Out Of Pod Experience\ **Created:** [June 14, 2026, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329 "2026-06-14T08:00:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 9:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/82 "2026-06-20T09:50:51Z")
Small tiny miniscule nothing probes. They can take a hit. They aren’t pressurized. Probes to the sun and out through the solar system are nothing compared to something that would carry people. A single tiny rock could depressurize a spaceship. You’re trying to compare a tiny nothing probe flying a few thousand miles an hour to a pressurized space ship traveling at several billion miles an hour. That material would have to be lightweight and able to withstand radiation and it would have to be indestructible. Not just bullet proof- completely indestructible. Even the ISS has taken damage from a paint chip traveling thousands of mph. A paint chip. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/83 "2026-06-20T09:51:51Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > in an ocean world (as an example) could not crabs become intelligent? How can we be certain that the crabs of this world are not intelligent? ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 9:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/84 "2026-06-20T09:56:54Z")
Okay, let me help you out here. What you are trying to say is that there isn’t a known material capable of enduring the rigors of extended travel through space at relativistic speeds for the purpose of transporting humans across lightyears of interstellar space. That’s a far cry from saying there’s no material on Earth capable of withstanding the hazards of spaceflight. Obviously there is (we’ve build spaceships that have withstood the hazards of space), so your assertion, on its face, is patently false. That’s why I gave you the opportunity to clarify what you meant (“did you mean interstellar space?” etc). If you want to try to argue your original assertion, I just don’t see where you have a leg to stand on. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/85 "2026-06-20T10:01:20Z")
> [@MB\_ThePhotographer](#): > > . I was simply pointing out that in an ocean world (as an example) could not crabs become intelligent? We have intelligent creatures in our oceans. Whales are quite intelligent. Including Orcas. They have social structures. Families. A language. Even on land… Elephants have a very intricate social structures. They will send their juveniles to be raised by the elders. They protect the elders from threats while they learn discipline and etiquette. Even back to the water: squid are intelligent too. We don’t even know much about them because they won’t let us. Their ability to change their color is used as a language. We have to film it abd slow it down to see how intricate it is. They can’t be studied because each one captured dies no matter what scientists do. I watched a documentary where they attached a camera to one and quickly released it. It was killed the moment it returned to its home. Intelligence is not limited to humans. We won the race, but we clearly were not the only ones competing. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/86 "2026-06-20T10:04:32Z")
> [@Hatch\_Nasty](#): > > That’s why I gave you the opportunity to clarify what you meant Seeing as you had absolutely no problem in understanding what they meant, this demand to clarify looks like petulance at best, or bullying. If you understood what the post meant, why not reply to that, rather than being pedantic for no good reason? ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/87 "2026-06-20T10:07:09Z")
That’s what’s bothering you? Lol! I said what I said and I stand by it. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/88 "2026-06-20T10:08:29Z")
Because what he said was patently false and nonsensical. And in point of fact, I did not know what he meant in his original point, which is why I asked what he meant. Only after he elaborated was I clear on what he was trying to get to. Also, words have meaning. You shouldn’t say black if you mean white. You shouldn’t say up if you mean down. I shouldn’t say, “there’s no known material that can be used to build an aircraft capable of hypersonic travel” when what I really mean is that there’s no material to build a human-habitable aircraft capable of traveling at mach 30. Those are two different statements, the first of which is patently false. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/89 "2026-06-20T10:10:24Z")
You don’t seem to know where you are. This entire thread is about the possibility of interstellar travel. You appear to be lost. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/90 "2026-06-20T10:12:54Z")
Actually, no. This thread **isn’t** about interstellar travel. Per the title, it’s about UFOs and ETs. But whatever. You made a boneheaded statement. Don’t get pissy because I pointed that out. ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/91 "2026-06-20T10:15:10Z")
Oh well if it’s about UFOs then I once saw something flying that was pretty cool. I didn’t quite know what it was so that made it an UFO. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/92 "2026-06-20T10:16:47Z")
Exactly. I said the same thing. I saw a UFO, I have no idea what it was, where it came from, or who if anyone was piloting it. I’m glad we could finally agree on something (in all sincerity). ---
**Author:** ![Glenduil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/glenduil/32/501812_2.png) [@Glenduil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Glenduil)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/93 "2026-06-20T10:18:52Z")
You seem to have a disorder that forces you to be literal in everything. I’m not going to join you in that and I’m done talking to you. You cannot have an ET on this planet without interstellar travel. So that makes the discussion 100% about interstellar travel. Goodbye. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/94 "2026-06-20T10:22:41Z")
You seem to be claiming that just because you’ve played with a stick in a bath that great strides have been made in trans-oceanic travel. Spacetravel is practically impossible and nothing we have done so far has shown otherwise. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/95 "2026-06-20T10:23:18Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > You seem to have a disorder that forces you to be literal in everything. Ah, I see. Now we’re resorting to ad hominem. You must be out of logical arguments. Yeah, I guess I’m stickler for asking people to communicate their ideas clearly. > [@Glenduil](#): > > You cannot have an ET on this planet without interstellar travel. You are conflating ETs and UFOs, but I listed above in this thread eight different scenarios that might explain the origin of UFOs, only one of which require interstellar travel. It was the second to last in order of likelihood (in my opinion). ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/97 "2026-06-20T10:31:09Z")
lol. 2 posts ago you complain about ad hominem from someone else and then you post this. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/98 "2026-06-20T10:34:33Z")
What I said to you is not an ad hominem. If I had said you were a dim-witted moron, **that** would have been an ad hominem. I didn’t say that, did I? Clearly, I believe you may be capable of formulating a cogent thought, because I asked you to go do so. Are you saying you’re not capable of that? ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/99 "2026-06-20T10:41:45Z")
You strongly implied that what I have posted is not the product of cogent thought, which is only an angels wingbreadth away from being ad hominem. ---
**Author:** ![Hatch\_Nasty](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hatch_nasty/32/512820_2.png) [@Hatch\_Nasty](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hatch_Nasty)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 10:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/100 "2026-06-20T10:54:39Z")
> [@Lucy\_Alfrir](#): > > You strongly implied that what I have posted is not the product of cogent thought If I only implied it, then let me be clear: What you posted was not the product of cogent thought. It was clearly a shitpost. You do that a lot, and I’m tired of trying to engage with that sort of thing. Hence, I asked that you do better than to take a poorly thought-out contrarian position. As far as I’m concerned, that’s not me saying you’re incapable of a cogent thought. I wouldn’t have asked that of you if I thought you were mentally deficient. If you are mentally deficient, then please accept my apology. Just let me know for sure, and I’ll keep that in mind for future reference. > [@Lucy\_Alfrir](#): > > only an angels wingbreadth You’re really wearing out the angel analogies. I’m just sayin’. Mix it up a little. ---
**Author:** ![Lucy\_Alfrir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucy_alfrir/32/382506_2.png) [@Lucy\_Alfrir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucy_Alfrir)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 11:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/101 "2026-06-20T11:16:09Z")
Perhaps if you replied to my actual arguments rather than my choice of analogies, we could have a more constructive conversation. To be plain. I look at things like the Drake equation and the Fermi paradox, and I conclude 2 things. 1. There is a method of communicating which makes using radio or other EM radiation look foolish. 2. Interstellar travel is practically impossible, and all the efforts of mankind so far in that direction have only shown the truth in that. Thus whatever the UFOs and ETs which people report seeing are, they are not travellers from distant stars. ---
**Author:** ![Meridan\_Night](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/meridan_night/32/488304_2.png) [@Meridan\_Night](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Meridan_Night)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2026, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329/103 "2026-06-20T13:45:52Z")
> [@Glenduil](#): > > Everyone’s seen that. I haven’t seen a UFO. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/question-about-ufos-and-ets-highly-niche-interest/513329.md?page=6)