# Questioning the Signs of Psychganopaths in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 19, 2023, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463 "2023-08-19T03:35:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/442 "2024-01-30T20:33:42Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > your personal experience for perhaps a pilot under your command? More like his tongue was hanging out as his man crush showed him how it’s done. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/443 "2024-01-30T20:34:32Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > You see the difference between what you just said and how Princess was asking you to show evidence based on your personal experience for perhaps a pilot under your command? Are we talking about a different thread or this one? I just don’t think demanding someone’s killboard for their opinion to be valid is fair. Some people post on the forums with the accounts they use in the Fiction Portal, some people don’t like to fight the Log In and character selection screens, and still some others are just flat embarrassed about how often they die. I mean, this guy’s sole death is getting podded by a Jita Thrasher after five years of farming SoE rep. That’s embarrassing, but I don’t care. Evaluate that how you want. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/444 "2024-01-30T20:37:44Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > but I don’t care But the thing is , you do. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/445 "2024-01-30T20:38:34Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > But the thing is , you do. I cared about getting podded because that was a long-ass time to avoid death with a fair amount of close calls, but I don’t care about posting on the forums with him ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/446 "2024-01-30T20:38:46Z")
Debates are won by showing evidence yet there had been very little to support your argument on this thread hours ago. Perhaps it is true that such debates belong on their own thread. Despite your efforts to derail this topic with your banter is evidence enough that there is personal zkillboard experience on your behalf that you simply are too proud to support your debate. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/447 "2024-01-30T20:40:21Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > banter is evidence Nope. Banter is not evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/448 "2024-01-30T20:42:46Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Debates are won by showing evidence yet there had been very little to support your argument on this thread hours ago. > > Perhaps it is true that such debates belong on their own thread. > > Despite your efforts to derail this topic with your banter is evidence enough that there is personal zkillboard experience on your behalf that you simply are too proud to support your debate. I’m not really sure what you’re talking about. I posted in this thread 18 hours ago criticizing the mindset that everyone has to show their killboard to be granted the privilege of having a voice. Don’t really see how that’s banter either. 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/449 "2024-01-30T20:47:43Z")
Well so far you had only answered question one and remember this forum section is a place to show proof to support your case. Otherwise it is just considered forum PvP banter. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/450 "2024-01-30T20:49:59Z")
That’s a bit reductionist, isn’t it? Care to tell me how far I have to scroll up to find question two and beyond? I’m a little confused about what you’re referring to, but I’d love to talk about it. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/451 "2024-01-30T20:51:54Z")
Did you see the opening thread or were you called to this thread sometime afterwards? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/452 "2024-01-30T20:52:07Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > Care to tell me how far I have to scroll up Calm down, it’s just [banter](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banter) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/453 "2024-01-30T20:56:36Z")
It’s a known fact that the behaviour of HS Ganking involves linking of zkilmails and I understand your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/454 "2024-01-30T21:02:55Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Did you see the opening thread or were you called to this thread sometime afterwards? I scrolled up to about Post 400 when I opened this thread. Nobody called me. > [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Calm down, it’s just [banter](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=banter) Oh, I see. I thought he was confusing me for someone else. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/455 "2024-01-30T21:09:30Z")
Frosty just likes to play with his **prey**. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/456 "2024-01-30T21:12:19Z")
Recap; Questions were not numbered though they cover the topic title up the top in the original opening of this thread. Your debate only covers the first question though without showing your evidence to support your argument, Could you comment about a particular time when a zkillmail was shown? Was it a zkillmail where a wardec was active or kill right opened or was it an actual gank? Princess had been asking hours ago for proof. Was it your ship loss or someone you knew or did you just witness a local comment without actually looking closely at that zkillmail. ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/457 "2024-01-30T21:18:57Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Frosty just likes to play with his **prey**. He’s a lot better than some of the people I’ve had discussions with in Comms Center. Some people just want to have a 20 post conversation about nothing. > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Questions were not numbered though they cover the topic title up the top in the original opening of this thread. Oh, God, I am so sorry I’m having a huge brain fart today. You mean your OP. I was just commenting on the big kerfuffle in the few dozen posts preceding the bottom of the thread. In order: Yes, definitely. No, definitely not. I’m sure they can, this is a videogame and people are free to do what’s “wrong” for fun and profit. I’ve known gankers to invite their victims to their corp after if they’re cool about it. I’m not sure if I’d call that “remorse” but it’s still pretty cool behavior. I mean…people have a tendency to lie in general. So yes but no? Kind of? Maybe? Definitely not. Aside from CODE and its derivatives I don’t see much manipulation. Just violence, which is fine. P.S. I think the last ship I actually lost to another player, not counting a shuttle, was a Kestrel in FW Low Sec on an alt back in 2022. 🤷 I can build like 20 of 'em with one T4 SoE mission. Nothing of value was lost. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/458 "2024-01-30T21:27:10Z")
> [@Ulysses\_Redmane](#): > > I’ve known gankers to invite their victims to their corp Hmm, was invited by a ganker after ganked him. Not quite what you meant though eh? ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/459 "2024-01-30T21:27:14Z")
Now that it had been established about the above, would you care to elaborate on your comment then? > Blockquote File this thread under “Show me your main’s zkillboard or everything you say is wrong.” \< ---
**Author:** ![Ulysses\_Redmane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ulysses_redmane/32/410129_2.png) [@Ulysses\_Redmane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ulysses_Redmane)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/460 "2024-01-30T21:33:45Z")
> [@Zaera\_Keena](#): > > Hmm. was invited by a ganker after ganked him. Not quite what you ment though eh? No, but still pretty cool. I bet that was a neat experience. Did you join? > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Now that it had been established about the above, would you care to elaborate on your comment then? From about post 400 to 422 this thread was a group of people demanding a player’s killboard or else his opinion is invalid. Whether he’s right or wrong that line of questioning doesn’t produce any results. This isn’t the only thread it happens in. Ergo, it can be “filed” with other threads that have played out the same way. It was an off-hand comment about the conversation going on and the greater board. I didn’t intend to insult you for making it. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/461 "2024-01-30T21:35:11Z")
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