# Questioning the Signs of Psychganopaths in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 19, 2023, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463 "2023-08-19T03:35:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/62 "2023-09-13T08:16:45Z")
I am fighting on a battleground, that is something different than being a ganker that break rules, so they have to be punished by game itself, which is not sufficient I say. Only people lacking understanding of rules, ethics and honor would say different. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/63 "2023-09-13T08:18:49Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > they have to be punished by game itself Exactly. CCP coded in crime game mechanics because high sec is supposed to be like any other space: full of PvP. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > which is not sufficient I say. Exactly what I said. It’s just your opinion. The opinion of a dishonorable non-consensual PvPer who kicks over null residents‘ sandcastles. A terrorist with horrible motivations and urges to cause destruction. Just like everyone else, including gankers. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/64 "2023-09-13T08:21:35Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > high sec is supposed to be like any other space: full of PvP. High sec is not like other space, its high sec. Stop ignoring facts. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Exactly what I said. It’s just your opinion. You have said what you think, but its of course wrong, because you ignore basic facts. Therefore, you are wrong. EVE have ganker problem, and that problem needs final solution. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/65 "2023-09-13T08:24:45Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Stop ignoring facts. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > you ignore basic facts I’m not. Simply saying this over and over doesn’t make you right. It makes it seem like you cannot read. Would you care to address these basic facts you’ve repeatedly ignored? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > CCP coded in crime game mechanics because high sec is supposed to be like any other space: full of PvP. > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > If high sec is „supposed“ to be peaceful why did CCP code crime mechanics in the first place and keep it for 20+ years? The facts don’t align with your feelings. You don’t because you can’t because they are incongruent with your self righteous opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/66 "2023-09-13T08:39:00Z")
Few poasts ago you made a mistake of wanting to treat high sec as any other place. Criminals like gankers will do criminal stuff I suppose, trying to justify themselves, lying to themselves and to others, trying to shift blame, as agreeing with their consciousness that they did wrong would cause their lives to lack sense in society and it would make them sad, maybe even make them cry. And it would be all their own doing! Wrongdoers have to face the facts, admit they did wrong, that they broke rules and that they ignored all what comes with it. They need to admit the guilt so they can repent. They need to say, I am criminal, I have done wrong, I am sorry, I have to repent for that. And then they should be punished, and situation improved by making high sec safer, so they cant do those things again. We have to get rid of gankers, the future depends on that. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/67 "2023-09-13T08:42:25Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Everyone has a right to feel comfortable on how they express their emotions! Really? What law book is that written in? Yesterday someone wrote that having a fair and clean game was a right but he couldn’t come up with a case law. Can you? People speak of “rights” that don’t exist. It’s pretty hilarious. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/68 "2023-09-13T08:50:45Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Few poasts ago you made a mistake of wanting to treat high sec as any other place. It wasn’t a mistake, it’s the fact. High sec is like any other space just with extra criminal mechanics. You spent a lot of words to avoid dealing with my challenge, which still stands: > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Would you care to address these basic facts you’ve repeatedly ignored? > > > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > > CCP coded in crime game mechanics because high sec is supposed to be like any other space: full of PvP. > > > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > > If high sec is „supposed“ to be peaceful why did CCP code crime mechanics in the first place and keep it for 20+ years? The facts don’t align with your feelings. > > You don’t because you can’t because they are incongruent with your self righteous opinion. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/69 "2023-09-13T08:50:55Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > And then they should be punished What would that punishment look like? ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/70 "2023-09-13T08:54:46Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They would become respecterd PvPers You do live in cloud cookoo land ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/e/f/4efc3522a18cb5b28af7785307e1b4ae5905b2d6.gif) > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Its perfectly fine to attack anyone in null, Prove it, go shoot some BLUES for Zaera. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/71 "2023-09-13T09:17:48Z")
> [@Sienna\_Massilia](#): > > What would that punishment look like? The best would be to punish them with removing ganking by not allowing to turn on red safety in high sec. But I am sure there could be also some additional options of serving justice to them. Live on twitch. Like Aiko having to hug a plushy fedo while resocializing by flying in venture and blowing 10 unpiloted freighters full of catalysts called “gankers are evil”. ---
**Author:** ![Sienna\_Massilia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sienna_massilia/32/390388_2.png) [@Sienna\_Massilia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sienna_Massilia)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/72 "2023-09-13T09:26:34Z")
@Nana_Skalski The first one would stop Ganking dead in its tracks. But I don’t see Aiko doing any of the second. There is another solution to the ganking “problem”: move to Low or get with a Null or Abyss corporation. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/73 "2023-09-13T12:26:24Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Battle venture fleet full of former miners Great, you and three other people, but that’s hardly a representative sampling size to support your claim. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Evidence is everywhere, just the people supporting gankers, and gankers themselves are blind to that evidence. You’re the one that made the claim, but Zkill doesn’t show if a person’s motivation at one point was, being a miner. And since you made the claim, the burden of proof falls upon you. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > went and kicked asses of some null people. So, you engaged in non-consensual pvp. How disrespectful and dishonorable you are. Only RL criminals and psychopaths engage in that sort of disgusting behavior. There is an invite to duel option that I’m sure you didn’t bother to use. I can’t believe that you would willingly put poor defenseless krabs, miners and industrialists through extreme emotional distress for your own enjoyment. And even worse, is the fact that you think you can just waltz into claimed territory without permission and preform those acts. That’s just like you walking into someone’s house, uninvited, smashing everything in sight, killing the owner and the waltzing out while laughing and bragging to your mates. It’s truly heinous anti-social behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/74 "2023-09-13T13:13:05Z")
Silence, ganker supporter. Everyone knows timers and sees whats allowed where. Shooting each other in null is always received as best fun under the sun. We stay kind and we congratulate our opponents for even being there. Great fights, great battles, that whats its all about. Despised gankers dont have anything else to show than bloody hands and victimizing behavior of peacefull high sec dwellers. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/75 "2023-09-13T13:26:58Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Shooting each other in null is always received as best fun under the sun. We stay kind and we congratulate our opponents for even being there. Great fights, great battles, that whats its all about. Thats what psychopaths do. They justify their actions by any means possible. They even go as far as saying “it’s normal” and “it’s fun.” It’s not fun for the loosing party. Doesn’t matter how may “GF’s” you give in local. Null sec or not, you engaged in non-consensual pvp, for your own enjoyment. It’s no better than high-sec ganking. It’s low, it’s cruel and it’s antisocial. And this idea that it’s fine to do it in null sec is even worse. It’s not fine. Non consensual pvp is never okay. In any space. Period. You’re a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/76 "2023-09-13T13:28:06Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > sees whats allowed where You are allowed to lock a ship up and shoot it with your guns anywhere, including high sec. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Everyone knows timers Do _you_ though? For the third or fourth time, Care to address these facts about _criminal timers_ existing? > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > > CCP coded in crime game mechanics because high sec is supposed to be like any other space: full of PvP. > > > [@Io\_Koval](#): > > > > If high sec is „supposed“ to be peaceful why did CCP code crime mechanics in the first place and keep it for 20+ years? The facts don’t align with your feelings. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/77 "2023-09-13T13:30:17Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > including high sec ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/2/9/9/29972058879c8da6f38c77da297a1686e35a594f.webp) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/78 "2023-09-13T13:50:17Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Shooting each other in null is always received as best fun under the sun. We stay kind and we congratulate our opponents for even being there. Great fights, great battles, that whats its all about. > > Despised gankers dont have anything else to show than bloody hands and victimizing behavior of peacefull high sec dwellers. Meanwhile, back in the real Eve rather than your make believe one, 300 or so Ventures are destroyed every day…of which 290 are ‘peaceful lowsec and null dwellers’. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 1:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/79 "2023-09-13T13:59:30Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > victimizing behavior of peacefull high sec dwellers. So, you’re justified in smashing up other peoples ships, forcing them to endure undo emotional stress, making them paranoid all because your actions are justified because of the _lack_ of a police presence (CONCORD) in null sec? So when the police are no longer there, enforcing law, you’re perfectly fine with becoming antisocial and wrecking peoples lives. How very _nobel_ of you. What a paragon of citizenship you are. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/80 "2023-09-13T14:18:56Z")
What a display of so much ganker self-justification. One word: CONCORD. CONCORD always wins. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/81 "2023-09-13T14:48:10Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > What a display of so much ganker self-justification. One word: CONCORD. CONCORD always wins. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > So, you’re justified in smashing up other peoples ships, forcing them to endure undo emotional stress, making them paranoid all because your actions are justified because of the _lack_ of a police presence (CONCORD) in null sec? > > So when the police are no longer there, enforcing law, you’re perfectly fine with becoming antisocial and wrecking peoples lives. How very _nobel_ of you. > What a paragon of citizenship you are. So, if there is no police to enforce ethical citizenship, then its up to each individual to stand up and do what is right. Criminal actions are still criminal actions regardless of police presence or not. Didn’t you say: > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Criminals like gankers will do criminal stuff I suppose, trying to justify themselves, lying to themselves and to others, trying to shift blame, as agreeing with their consciousness that they did wrong would cause their lives to lack sense in society and it would make them sad, maybe even make them cry. And it would be all their own doing! > Wrongdoers have to face the facts, admit they did wrong, that they broke rules and that they ignored all what comes with it. They need to admit the guilt so they can repent. By your own argument, and admission, you’re no better than the ganker. You’re a amoral individual that is only kept in line when there are police present. But your true nature has been revealed. Especially when there is a lack of a police. Evidence: > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Of course I have. Battle venture fleet full of former miners yesterday went and kicked asses of some null people. I was one of them and you can see that on my killboard. 🕶 And you took pleasure in it. Despicable. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463.md?page=5)