# Questioning the Signs of Psychganopaths in Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [August 19, 2023, 3:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463 "2023-08-19T03:35:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/82 "2023-09-13T15:04:24Z")
Repeating utter nonsense doesnt make it more logical. All forms of battle engagements in null are legal and accepted. Gankers are criminals if you like it or not. And high sec must be purged from them. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 3:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/83 "2023-09-13T15:15:54Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Gankers are criminals if you like it or not Yes, you are. Inflicting emotional pain and agony upon people is independent of being in null sec or not. It’s clear you enjoy hurting folks, and you hide behind a false justification that: > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > All forms of battle engagements in null are legal and accepted. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/84 "2023-09-13T21:47:15Z")
The only solution that is needed right this moment is to consider the label to refer to urban dictionary on the new word created in the title. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/85 "2023-09-13T22:00:07Z")
PvP in nullsec is griefing, because miners have no CONCORD safety. Only Highsec offers miners a fair fight, with a chance to survive. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/86 "2023-09-13T22:09:48Z")
## [psychganopath](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=psychganopath) someone who [bites](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bites) [ice cream](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ice%20cream) with their [teeth](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teeth) “did Frosty just [bite](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bite) his [ice cream](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ice%20cream) with his [teeth](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teeth)?” “yes he’s a psychganopath.” by [Zaera Keena](https://www.urbandictionary.com/author.php?author=nb84ok) Sept 13, 2023 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/87 "2023-09-13T22:21:56Z")
See in the future portentously warns new pilots soon to one day become Capsuleers in New Eden will be searching what is a Eve Online Highsec pirate and various other search terms to perhaps mould their future play style of or when they start undocking. They might happen to not like that style of labeling so changing their mind on becoming a Ganker even before starting Eve Online. That is the future goal and only workable solution. **If you can’t change the people, change the people!** ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/88 "2023-09-13T22:28:46Z")
Calm down miner. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/89 "2023-09-14T06:11:26Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > fair fight Only happens in null. In high sec its not a fight. Its a crime. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/90 "2023-09-14T06:29:43Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > being a ganker that break rules, What “rules” does a ganker break? Who set these “rules”? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/91 "2023-09-14T06:31:13Z")
> What “rules” does a ganker break? Aggressing a player who is not a legal target in high-sec. The rule is to not agress everyone you see in high-sec, only criminals and suspects. Rules are set by a developer. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/92 "2023-09-14T07:08:46Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Aggressing a player who is not a legal target in high-sec. The rule is to not agress everyone you see, only criminals and suspects. > > Rules are set by a developer. Where is this rule written in this way? You rather hilariously misunderstand the rules of hisec engagement. The game mechanics (eg: the rules) of hisec aggression are thus: You are free to take offensive action against a target that is a criminal, a suspect, a legitimate war target, has accepted a duel or is in your corp with Friendly Fire set to Legal. Offensive action taken against any other target will result in the players ship being asploded by CONCORD and a loss of security status, said player will also get a Criminal timer, meaning if they undock in another ship while that timer is active, they will lose that ship too. The ‘rule’ is simple: actions have consequences. CONCORD is righteous retribution, not safe space prevention of aggression. Gankers operate well within the rules of the game. The ganker freely and knowingly accepts they will lose their ship and their security status will take a hit. The only other ‘rule’ that is applicable here is: any action that AVOIDS the CONCORD response is considered an [Exploit](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits). In any case, CCP has done a lot to make ganking less attractive over the years. The recent huge buff to mining ship EHP, restricting Alphas from setting their safety to Red (required for a hisec gank). Removing teh ability to tether in hisec for those with too low a sec status. There once was a time when all corporations had Friendly Fire set to Legal and there was no method of toggling it like there is today. This led to some folk enlisting with hisec mining corps then flat out murderzoning their corpmates. One player (Awox) was so prolific at this, the term Awoxing was coined for shooting Blues/Greens. If you get ganked, chances are that YOU did something, or didn’t do something, that made you stand out as an attractive target. Flying a Hulk or Covetor is a common one, don’t want to get ganked, fly a Skiff or Procurer. I’m only an occasional ganker myself, but if all I see is Skiffs and Procurers, I’ll go and look for a softer target. Are you keeping an eye on local? Are you using your D-Scan? Does your mining fleet have eyes on the gate? Did you probe out all cosmic signatures in the system and check for wormholes before setting up your mining op? (most of my ganks happen because I find a hisec system in chain, pop my prober out and see hulks on D-Scan) Your hauler got ganked? Did you scout the gate? Are you carrying a lot of valuable cargo in a lightly tanked T1 ship? Did you check your route and avoid well known choke point systems like Uedama? Did you use the Cloak/MWD trick? Hell, I near got ganked hauling a bit too much value in an Occator the other day. Cloak/MWD saved me as the Tornadoes were landing on the gate. Ganking is part of the game. It’s been in the game since day one and will be in the game until the servers shut down forever. If CCP wanted to get rid of it completely, they would have. So please, stop with the righteous “they’re breaking the rules”. Gankers are not breaking any rules. They are very clearly operating within the mechanics of the game as set down by CCP. I strongly suggest you read the thread on the [Eight Golden Rules of EVE](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/8-golden-rules-for-eve-online/3973/492) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/93 "2023-09-14T07:21:11Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > Where is this rule written in this way? This is game rules, and the rules are programmed in, in programming language. > Gankers operate well within the rules of the game. They break the rules that are in the game. That is why CONCORD intervenes. Example: If you shoot an innocent person on the street, and police shoots you back, you dont operate withing the rules, you break rules, that is why police have to intervene. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/94 "2023-09-14T07:35:58Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > They break the rules that are in the game. That is why CONCORD intervenes. again: you misunderstand the game rules. gankers operate within the game mechanics. if they were ‘breaking the rules’, then they’d be getting banned. they’re not getting banned. hence, they’re not breaking any rules. again: CONCORD is retribution, not prevention. You need to understand and embrace this fact if you’re going to enjoy your time in New Eden. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/95 "2023-09-14T08:20:51Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > restricting Alphas from setting their safety to Red Greedy CCP after more subs disguised as bear protection. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/96 "2023-09-14T08:31:13Z")
> [@Mephiztopheleze](#): > > gankers operate within the game mechanics. Breaking rules. But they dont get banned because there is another rule, to eliminate criminals. For getting banned they would have to escape CONCORD. CONCORD is not needed tho when the rule would be changed, so thet there could not be red safety engaged in high sec. That would be final solution to ganker problem. Which should have been introduced by CCP in beginning. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/97 "2023-09-14T08:37:56Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > That would be final solution to ganker problem. Which should have been introduced by CCP in beginning. the vast bulk of the playerbase, and CCP, disagree with you. ganking in hisec is part of the game. deal with it like the rest of us have. ---
**Author:** ![Zaera\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zaera_keena/32/449938_2.png) [@Zaera\_Keena](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zaera_Keena)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/98 "2023-09-14T08:40:00Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > That would be final solution to ganker problem There is not a ganker problem as they operate within a PvP sandbox > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > introduced by CCP in beginning ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/2/6/6263ee35e60cc8e849f110a4e815f52cb97f16b1.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 10:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/99 "2023-09-14T10:02:23Z")
So much but I agree with some of what you shared +1 ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/100 "2023-09-14T10:50:32Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > Breaking rules. GANKING BREAKS NO ‘RULES’ OF THE GAME. Please wrap your head around this simple, easy to understand concept. It is an action that has a consequence. ---
**Author:** ![Maximus\_Raaz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maximus_raaz/32/492068_2.png) [@Maximus\_Raaz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maximus_Raaz)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463/101 "2023-09-14T11:14:06Z")
I haven’t played the game in 6 months and when I did I wasn’t a ganker. BUT, if I ever do start playing again and I happen to see you in high sec space. I’m going to gank you…… Just on principal alone. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/questioning-the-signs-of-psychganopaths-in-highsec/416463.md?page=6)