# Rapidly declining players **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 15, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121 "2022-09-15T19:41:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/492 "2022-10-09T17:09:21Z")
I thought Brisc is a political lobbyist and not an elected official. Maybe I’ve read it wrong though. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/493 "2022-10-09T17:10:52Z")
Oh really? Didn’t know that if so. He certainly didn’t make the distinction when referred to as a politician by me in any of my rants at him, but fair enough if so. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/494 "2022-10-09T17:12:54Z")
Well I just recall reading he is a lobbyist, which I assumed means he _is_ a politician but also assumed mean he is not an elected official. But didn’t do any research though as it was of no interest to me to learn the details so just made my assumptions based on what I’ve read. ---
**Author:** ![Nita\_Kateri](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nita_kateri/32/337203_2.png) [@Nita\_Kateri](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nita_Kateri)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/495 "2022-10-09T17:15:35Z")
> [@IgnisVestae](#): > > Honestly, I don’t think eve was even designed for teenagers or children Children and teenagers don’t have much money, It’s designed for adults who can spend thousands of mula and many do. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/496 "2022-10-09T17:18:16Z")
> **[About Brisc Rubal – Brisc Rubal – CSM 16](http://www.briscforcsm.win/about-brisc-rubal/)** > In real life, Brisc Rubal is the online persona of Brian Schoeneman, a veteran lawyer and politician in the United States. In his day job, he represents America’s largest seafaring union in the halls of Congress and the White House. He’s run for office twice, testified before the [U.S. Congress multiple times](https://www.c-span.org/video/?304667-4/cruise-ship-safety-industry-representatives), served as chief elections administrator in the largest county in the Commonwealth of Virginia (with over 1 million residents), served as Special Assistant and Senior Speechwriter for a U.S. cabinet secretary, got [verified on Twitter](https://twitter.com/BrianSchoeneman), taken a nap smack dab in centerfield at Oriole Park at Camden Yards, and [Rachel Maddow](https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/razor-thin-margin-in-va-attorney-general-race-73566787612) even apologized for making fun of him on TV. This is publicly available info on his own personal website so is published by him so should be fine to post I guess. ( @Brisc_Rubal if you don’t want any of this posted here let me know and I edit my post.) ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/497 "2022-10-09T17:20:31Z")
I really avoid looking up people on here in RL and tbh I think it would be best not to post that stuff, even with how I feel about the fellow. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/498 "2022-10-09T17:21:08Z")
He always openly talks about his stuff and his political stuff is also public info just fyi at least as far as I know. He is officially a public figure so his info is publicly available and same for him as a CSM member as I understand. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/499 "2022-10-09T17:22:04Z")
Yeah just feel I should have that thing that I said as a disclaimer that Im not promoting RL info, given my outlook on the character in question. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/500 "2022-10-09T17:47:06Z")
True Highsec exists in starter systems and it is achieved when Capsuleers follow the 1. [EULA, ToS, Policies] on Rookie Griefing. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/501 "2022-10-09T17:50:16Z")
The rookie griefing rule doesn’t mean rookies can’t be killed even in those systems, it means they can not be tricked into opening themselves up to PvP (like telling the to set safety to yellow then open a container to turn them into suspects then shooting them for example) by exploiting their lack of knowledge and such. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/502 "2022-10-09T17:53:55Z")
- Hindering a rookie’s progress in completing the Tutorial / NPE Arc Would this also cover unprovoked ship loss due to a gank while inside one of those systems? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/503 "2022-10-09T17:56:04Z")
Not really sure to be honest. It can be decided either way and still be considered to be according to the rule so as it is all too subjective / open for interpretation (and also open for abuse by the rookie being told to claim his progress was hindered in a support ticket) that I don’t think a 100% assured answer can be given. ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/504 "2022-10-09T17:57:21Z")
Side note, this pilot had never ever completed a Tutorial or NPE Arc, so does that mean I never ever really needed a permit to mine in those systems long ago? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 5:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/505 "2022-10-09T17:59:18Z")
I don’t think you ever need a permit regardless. But not clear what that question supposed to mean exactly. 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/iceacid_frostpacker/32/505689_2.png) [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Iceacid_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/506 "2022-10-09T18:05:38Z")
The writing is on the wall and Capsuleer griefing seems to be in the spotlight even on the last Fanfest presentation overhead projector view was it not? /Directly or indirecty requesting a permit be obtained to mine would be concidered a level of grief. /it was just a thought. let’s not dig too deep 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/507 "2022-10-09T18:07:14Z")
Didn’t watch the last fanfest so dunno. / Edit: Oh I see, yeah makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/508 "2022-10-09T18:08:49Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Oh really? Didn’t know that if so. > > He certainly didn’t make the distinction when referred to as a politician by me in any of my rants at him, but fair enough if so. I’ve served in public office, both times in political capacities, and I’ve run for office twice (not as successfully as my CSM campaigns, sadly). I’ve been called a politician for the last decade or more, whether in game or out of it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/509 "2022-10-09T18:12:04Z")
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**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/510 "2022-10-09T18:18:32Z")
> [@Frege\_Descartes](#): > > Yes, it literally does. Most people confuse America as a “republic”, which it isn’t. > > A constitutional republic means that it is **one in which, rather than directly governing, the people select some of their members to temporarily serve in political office** ; the constitutional part means that both the citizens and their governing officials are bound to follow the rules established in that Constitution. No one cares bruv. Our countrymen literally believe JFK JR alive and is gonna be prez. We got no room to lecture anyone 😃 > [@Tzashrah\_Praankar](#): > > You just relax, there, firebrand! _I_ was the first to answer the highly honourable Mr. Frege’s question giving a concrete example. He will of course fulfill his ironclad ultra-dependable promise to me and certainly not to you. Well I’d say he didn’t specify how many could answer 😃 Looks like he owes a lot 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Frege\_Descartes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frege_descartes/32/247951_2.png) [@Frege\_Descartes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frege_Descartes)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121/511 "2022-10-09T18:26:28Z")
> [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > Brisc is a political lobbyist That’s my understanding as well. * * * > [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](#): > > he represents [America’s largest seafaring union](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seafarers_International_Union_of_North_America#:~:text=Seafarers%20International%20Union%20is%20the,according%20to%20the%20SIU%20website.) Kind of cool logo: * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/5/2/952a48f34f95dee6074eff07766b992dcdc17697.jpeg) * * * > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > it would be best not to post He speaks about on Twitch® all the time so I don’t think he’d mind. * * * > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > it would be best not to post I don’t think it should be limited to rookies. * * * > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > never ever really needed a permit Permits are useless. A scam that provides no protection whatsoever. * * * > [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > /Directly or indirecty requesting a permit be obtained to mine would be concidered a level of grief. True. And that’s the first thing that’s demanded of anyone stupid enough to join “Why Was I Ganked” after being ganked. I’d call it, doubling down on griefing. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121.md?page=24) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rapidly-declining-players/377121.md?page=26)