# Raravoss Falls, Security reduced from 0.6 to 0.3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950 "2020-05-28T23:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WulfWestphal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wulfwestphal/32/335696_2.png) [@WulfWestphal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WulfWestphal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/41 "2020-05-29T14:53:22Z")
Ah, I don not think killing High Sec necessarily kills the game. But indescriminatly destroying other players (be it via gatecamps, stationcamps or gankfleets) might be hurtful in the long run. I am long enough in game to know, that PvP for many (most?) pirates/low/null Sec players mean (or at least “meant in the past”) gankfleet-all-the-way. It is a little funny to read the arguments, that _want to say_ “I want to be able to attack an opportune target any time.” while at the same time really mean: “I want to get together with some friends, form a roaming fleet with tacklers, DD etc. and jump from mining belt to mining belt or maybe sit at a gate.” I do not want to say that either behaviour is good or bad. It certainly _is_ fun to form a strategic fleet and try to find opponents, I am just saying, that a Mammoth, Venture, or the likes is in my eyes not really an “opponent”? ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/42 "2020-05-29T14:54:37Z")
This isn’t an event. An event wouldn’t have a permanent change to the map…sigh. Lots of misunderstanding going on on all sides. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/43 "2020-05-29T14:56:06Z")
> [@Aramatheia](#): > > seems that the only ships being lost worth anything are the victims who have no idea that systems showing as high sec are operating on low sec rules, One of the most expensive losses in the system is a pvp fit proteus. But to further the cause of either side, you have to run pve. So players on all sides are tying to blitz sites. Some of the pve fits you’re seeing are fully aware of what’s happening. They’re just trying to be quick. Note the sniper nightmare Edit You’re making a lot of assumptions about that omen pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/44 "2020-05-29T14:57:36Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > An event wouldn’t have a permanent change to the map…sigh. Lots of misunderstanding going on on all sides. You say that as though you’ve never been wrong before. ---
**Author:** ![WulfWestphal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wulfwestphal/32/335696_2.png) [@WulfWestphal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WulfWestphal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 2:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/45 "2020-05-29T14:58:55Z")
> Blockquote > The whole point was players choose their own side. There’s isn’t much point crying about it if players aren’t picking the side you want. It is _immensly_ funny to read responses from players liking/defending this change of pace/game. Because you _immidiatly_ assume that everyone who does not agree with you, is a carebear and does not like this. This is exactly the same reaction that High-Sec Carebears entertain when there is a change that THEY want to “defend”. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/46 "2020-05-29T15:01:01Z")
> [@WulfWestphal](#): > > It is _immensly_ funny to read responses from players liking/defending this change of pace/game. Because you _immidiatly_ assume that everyone who does not agree with you, is a carebear and does not like this. Did i call you carebear? You whinged about it being pointless to fight against trigs. It is what it is. ---
**Author:** ![Aesir\_Valtari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aesir_valtari/32/488282_2.png) [@Aesir\_Valtari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aesir_Valtari)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/47 "2020-05-29T15:02:21Z")
Fellas, what is the point of arguing here? If you don’t like the changes and direction which this game is heading from some time, then there is only one way to show your disappointment: close your e-wallet until CCP understands where they fail to properly develop this game and the whole aspect of in-game balance, as playerbase and their income shall decrease. Arguing here, insulting each other and carousel of speculation is just a waste of time. CCP don’t care what do you think, and what you express in forum threads. They note, however, changes in their stats that they closely monitor (like monetization revenue). That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/48 "2020-05-29T15:05:35Z")
This pretty much. Get busy living or get busy dying. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/49 "2020-05-29T15:08:33Z")
I had fun. Made 300m in isk alot of fleeting around killin stuff and a little PvP after the switch. Lost a 300m ship came out even. I’d say a success. ---
**Author:** ![WulfWestphal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wulfwestphal/32/335696_2.png) [@WulfWestphal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WulfWestphal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/50 "2020-05-29T15:09:12Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You whinged about it being pointless to fight against trigs. It is what it is. I _asked_ if it is pointless. Learn to read. It is just this: everyone who is not your opinion just “whines”. That is true for this iteration and for every other former/older iteration, where the former “whiners” defend their thing. Just as a side-note: If the Trig turn High-Sec to Low-Sec and players siding with the Trig do it to make that happen (to make life interesting - turning HS to LS), then it is basically HS vs LS. Of course, that implies, that HS can get its act together to actually do something? ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/51 "2020-05-29T15:10:31Z")
Can’t wait until Perimeter and Jita will fall below 0.5 Sec. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/52 "2020-05-29T15:12:19Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > You’re making a lot of assumptions about that omen pilot. I will admit it is an assumption, but it is based off of the new pilot I created in january and when it was about 2 months old it was flying a maller with a similar fit, though I did have abyssal heatsinks because I found someone who accidentally posted a ton of mutaplasmid things at a catastrophically low price. They listed the whole stack for the price of 1 individual thing lol. It wasnt kitted out in t2 or faction gear, even now that pilot after running exploration for as long as it has only has t2 modules with a single expensive mod in its afterburner. That omen reeks of semi/low skillpoints pilot or not an advanced knowledge of the game to upgrade/train for better fittings in key slots - meta power diags and a cap battery, also no prop mod and no tank aside form a dcu. Doesnt seem like a skilled/skillpoint fit to me I was playing with an omen fit, this is one i saved 28 jan this year while getting a few more skills up for it before going for maller instead - [Omen, Cruiser] Extruded Compact Heat Sink Extruded Compact Heat Sink Extruded Compact Heat Sink Extruded Compact Heat Sink Tracking Enhancer II Medium ACM Compact Armor Repairer 10MN Y-S8 Compact Afterburner Alumel-Wired Enduring Sensor Booster Optical Compact Tracking Computer Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Heavy Modulated Energy Beam I Medium Explosive Armor Reinforcer I Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I Medium Thermal Armor Reinforcer I Multifrequency M x10 Thats a skilled fit for a low skill pilot. That omen i linked was clearly an unskilled fit for a low skilled pilot, and they were happily stomped out by a roaming gang operating in this new broken highsec that goons and co are loving ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/53 "2020-05-29T15:13:16Z")
Oh I can just imagine the amount of tears that there will be here if that ever happens. And the epic battle between those who want to see it burn and those who would quit if it did ---
**Author:** ![WulfWestphal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wulfwestphal/32/335696_2.png) [@WulfWestphal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/WulfWestphal)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/54 "2020-05-29T15:16:18Z")
> [@Zombie\_Ellecon](#): > > And the epic battle between those who want to see it burn and those who would quit if it did I really do not think, there would be an opposition. It would just be transport/freighter killing left and right. I _think_ nobody there really fights. I think they would just quit, as you say? ---
**Author:** ![Rexxar\_Santaro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rexxar_santaro/32/420075_2.png) [@Rexxar\_Santaro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rexxar_Santaro)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/55 "2020-05-29T15:18:59Z")
So much already have been said about fozzie sov by null-sec dwellers. It would be interesting to spectate how they will be forced to participate in this new “hi-sec fozzie sov” schedule to save their Tranquility tower. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/56 "2020-05-29T15:20:54Z")
> [@Iceacid\_Frostpacker](#): > > Does this mean we can now use Smart Bombs without going criminal? No, podding is still criminal act in low sec. ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/57 "2020-05-29T15:25:05Z")
there is a TON of pod kills in raravoss, im not sure if there is any negative consequences for it but theres lots to be found on zkillboard ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/58 "2020-05-29T15:27:17Z")
Sec status drop and gate guns will engage, standard lowsec penalty. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/59 "2020-05-29T15:29:46Z")
> [@WulfWestphal](#): > > I _asked_ if it is pointless. No. No you didn’t. > [@WulfWestphal](#): > > It seems there is no benefit to fighting the Trigs then, This isn’t a question. It isn’t worded like one even if you put the question mark in the right place. Learn2write? Or own your mistake? > [@WulfWestphal](#): > > then it is basically HS vs LS. By this do you mean hisec players vs low sec players? Or do you mean highsec systems vs low sec systems? Cause systems can’t shoot eachother and that’s a weird thing to say. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2020, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/60 "2020-05-29T15:36:26Z")
> [@Skulldigger](#): > > Players are flocking to the system to enjoy it? Oh really. You didn’t look at the Ekid gate there then. Don’t jump through in anything you don’t want to lose because two massive yellow and red fleets of players are camping the gate and killing everyone who enters. I managed to move precisely through that gate… you just need intel on what is going on at the gate 😛 > [@Xeux](#): > > I’m not sure it is null vs high, but it does seem to be PVP oriented players being willing to participate in PVE activities in order to get more PVP opportunities. In my case: I am blowing up edencom to turn amarr/caldari systems into trig systems 😛 On another hand of course PVP players will grind some trig content if it means they can drop sec status and start killing everything in sight w/o concord interference - especially first moments after sec drop, when many clueless idiots fly bling thinking they are still safe. > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > Only a few systems will change and Hi-sec will become smaller. Nothing more. Only few systems, yes. But they are ice systems \>:] > [@Aramatheia](#): > > seems that the only ships being lost worth anything are the victims who have no idea that systems showing as high sec are operating on low sec rules There are many fat warnings about this - both when you enter it, and when you undock. It is annoying - I almost lost jackdaw to facpol thanks to those stupid warnings. > [@Aramatheia](#): > > And given how the killmails all seem to show the same pilots it seems pretty likely that its big bunches of friends camping a common transit point, and less a big all in brawl It is actually no biog brawl but total chaos. > [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > This isn’t an event. An event wouldn’t have a permanent change to the map…sigh. Lots of misunderstanding going on on all sides. You are quite confused… no one said this is event: this is 3rd and last chapter of triglavian invasion. After it new eden will not be the same as before. Unless you defend it of course. You don’t want hisec turning into lowsec? Join imperialist fleet. I on another hand won’t cooperate with concord. They support slavery. Free Minmatar! Down with concord! [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950.md?page=4)