# Raravoss Falls, Security reduced from 0.6 to 0.3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 28, 2020, 11:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950 "2020-05-28T23:39:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/101 "2020-05-31T18:53:02Z")
You serious bro, or just trolling? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/102 "2020-05-31T19:05:13Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Yeah, that Drifter Invasion was quickly shut down after Null Sec Alliance’s threatened to quit the game. As it should be. Nullsec is for PvP conflict, not for random NPCs to show up and take the focus away from player interactions. If you want NPC factions to be relevant then you can play in highsec/lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/103 "2020-05-31T19:25:37Z")
Wait, wut? Nullsec is a huge NPC farm. In fact, the main point of Fozziesov is to let the empires farm more helpless NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/104 "2020-05-31T19:28:28Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Nullsec is a huge NPC farm. Yes, but you’re misunderstanding what I was saying. Every conflict in nullsec is between players with no NPC involvement. The NPCs in nullsec are merely a passive resource to be harvested, they never take any active role or present any meaningful opposition. You could replace the NPCs with more asteroids and the result would be almost identical. Contrast this with an NPC invasion, where now NPCs are driving the conflict and giving unearned advantages to player factions. That’s what was unacceptable and had to be removed. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/105 "2020-05-31T19:31:30Z")
Seems reasonable. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/106 "2020-05-31T19:36:33Z")
Pretty much confirmed earlier today. Only hi-sec will change to low-sec. And it will be permanent if it reaches Final Liminality . There will be no other sec changes. Once changed no changing it back to Hi-sec. There really is nothing to be gained for Edencom as low-sec wont change to hi-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/107 "2020-05-31T20:02:22Z")
It can be said that as things are, there’s too much high-sec space to begin with. Most of it goes underutilized. At the very least, the way that space is clustered is too consistent. I wouldn’t be surprised if this entire thing is just CCP’s long-term play on cutting up the major trade routes. That is the **only** outcome that will have any true impact on the game. Just changing a few high-sec systems to low-sec isn’t really going to matter. Also, I really doubt that in the future, there won’t be _any_ game mechanics implemented to allow players to reconquer space for the empires. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/108 "2020-05-31T20:08:53Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > There really is nothing to be gained for Edencom as low-sec wont change to hi-sec. Isn’t stopping the loss of something a gain? ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/109 "2020-05-31T20:59:05Z")
Edencom can only experience loss of an existing hi-sec system. If it is already a low-sec system there is nothing to be stopped or gained. Stopping the loss will only affect those that use it as a main trade pipeline. (shipping items between null and hi-sec) Part 2 of making resources matter. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/110 "2020-05-31T21:24:57Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Isn’t stopping the loss of something a gain? No, it’s just maintaining the status quo. And that’s the problem with this: EDENCOM can only lose or draw, the Triglavians can only win or draw. If EDENCOM ever lapses in their defense the Triglavians win a permanent victory. It’s a ridiculous one-sided system that needs to have stakes for both sides. For example, if after 30 days the Triglavians have not conquered at least 50% of their targets all Triglavian NPCs/ships/etc are permanently removed from the game. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/111 "2020-05-31T21:29:37Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > There really is nothing to be gained for Edencom as low-sec wont change to hi-sec. Well except not losing a system. If there is a system that I’d prefer to stay hisec, I will try and defend it. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2020, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/112 "2020-05-31T21:36:32Z")
Unless the defending side has fleets during all time zones loss is inevitable. Just takes one gap in a 24hr period and the system could be lost forever. This was an issue in Guild Wars 2 World vs World. Didn’t matter how well you did during eastern time zone. If you didn’t have anyone to cover the pacific time zones all your gains were null. This was also used in Eve to set up timers so they only expired when your enemies were mostly sleeping. ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 1:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/113 "2020-06-01T13:38:37Z")
> [@Syn\_Shi](#): > > Edencom can only experience loss of an existing hi-sec system. > > If it is already a low-sec system there is nothing to be stopped or gained. > > Stopping the loss will only affect those that use it as a main trade pipeline. (shipping items between null and hi-sec) Which leave the question of Why arent the powerblocs coming up to camp systems to prevent edencom forces from stopping the trigs? A large group of pilot doing exactly that could pad their killboards when the system flips, and they carve out large sections of empire forcing carebears to lose space, ships, and probably even quit the game when they have limited travel. Many systems could be cut out of empire, and more if those large groups act faster. Or are they too busy with farming isk in null because they cant bring their capital umbrellas to the camps. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/114 "2020-06-01T14:01:58Z")
Because the blocks would then shoot themselves in the foot by disrupting the trade routes they also use. If a Null block wanted to interrupt a rival then sure, it makes sense. As long as they had an alternate route and their line members didn’t mind the extra jumps/risk. And we know extra risk in Null is not a thing. Atm its in the null blocks best interest to maintain status quo. Doesn’t mean there aren’t opportunities for low-sec pirates to disrupt trade pipelines. ---
**Author:** ![Vals\_Loeder](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vals_loeder/32/192416_2.png) [@Vals\_Loeder](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vals_Loeder)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/115 "2020-06-01T14:15:41Z")
> [@Agondray](#): > > Which leave the question of Why arent the powerblocs coming up to camp systems to prevent edencom forces from stopping the trigs? What do you think is the reason? ---
**Author:** ![Apex\_Atruin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/apex_atruin/32/207972_2.png) [@Apex\_Atruin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Apex_Atruin)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2020, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/116 "2020-06-01T15:05:11Z")
> [@Aramatheia](#): > > so I’ve bumped heads with people about this whole update, had some disagreements but there is an interesting problem. Why is it, that if one side conquers a system it can be reduced to essentially low sec, but if the other side takes a system nothing happens. So 1 side scores a win and gains new space for its purposes, yet the other scores a net zero? > > Low and null sec space are seemingly immune to the negative side effects of this, the only losing entity is high sec? There must be more to it, there has to be far reaching negative connotations to all 3 sections of space (WH’s should probably stay exempt since they are already just wild space from the outset). Either during this phase, or there is an unrevealed 4th one coming next. EDENCOM is fighting a defensive war to preserve the status quo mostly. Any forces garrisoned in a system under their command are dedicated to react against any further Triglavian attacks. Putting them on law enforcement duty as well would divide their forces and attention. Furthermore once a system is secured for EDENCOM at least a portion of the initial force would be redeployed elsewhere. This is my analysis of the situation, at least. If total highsec territory shrinks significantly, there are a lot of potential consequences. Especially if the Triglavians take enough bottleneck systems and cut off transit. ---
**Author:** ![Ellison\_Onizuka](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ellison_onizuka/32/314780_2.png) [@Ellison\_Onizuka](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ellison_Onizuka)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/117 "2020-06-02T01:00:58Z")
The reason Edencom isn’t turning low sec systems to high sec is that they aren’t invading. ---
**Author:** ![Syn\_Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syn_shi/32/242535_2.png) [@Syn\_Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syn_Shi)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/118 "2020-06-02T01:41:10Z")
Nope, its just not coded that way. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/119 "2020-06-02T11:17:18Z")
> [@Lugburz](#): > > no one’s gonna fly a 400m isk ship in lowsec… ROTFL, 400M is nothing unusual… many of ships actually used are worth about 500M. To be fair such ships are usually used in fleets. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/raravoss-falls-security-reduced-from-0-6-to-0-3/244950/120 "2020-06-02T11:43:46Z")
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