# Rattlesnake vs Raven Navy Issue for speedrunning Lv4 missions **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [August 8, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366 "2020-08-08T20:44:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/1 "2020-08-08T20:44:01Z")
I’m finally ready to move up from the Praxis into something faster for mission running. I’ve got level 4 on all missile and ship related skills, plus level 5 in the magic 14. I have level 5 in most drone skills, except 4 in Sentry, Heavy Drones, and Drone Interfacing. Looking at these two builds, both do similar DPS on paper. the Rattlesnake does more, but is very dependent on drones. In Practice, which of these ships would be better for speeding through Lv4 missions? There are so many ways to fit the Rattlesnake, but I tried to fit each with a similar mission play style in mind. Thoughts? ``` [Raven Navy Issue, RNI_Passive] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System Large Micro Jump Drive 500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II F-90 Compact Sensor Booster Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Flare Catalyst II Hammerhead II x5 Targeting Range Script x1 Missile Precision Script x4 Inferno Cruise Missile x1104 ``` FIT2 ``` [Rattlesnake, Passive_Rattle] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System Republic Fleet Ballistic Control System Damage Control II Large Micro Jump Drive 500MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Sensor Booster II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Multispectrum Shield Hardener II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II Omnidirectional Tracking Link II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor II 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor II Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I Large Drone Scope Chip I Ogre I x2 Warden I x2 Inferno Cruise Missile x184 Optimal Range Script x4 ``` ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/2 "2020-08-08T21:00:59Z")
Consider the Typhoon > [@Typhoon Level 4 Fit](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/typhoon-level-4-fit/256493): > > Ive had a good trawl through the posts an have seen some folk stating that the Typhoon is a great mission fit. Does anyone have fits they would share for missiles and shields. Ive been out of the game for a couple of years and recently lost my bling fit Gila. Is it worth looking in to a Typhoon or should I just stick with teh Gila. I have most drone skills at 5 and shield and core skills at 5. ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/3 "2020-08-08T21:04:03Z")
I would, except that’s 6 days of skills I don’t have. I’ve seen that the Typhoon fleet issue is good. Is it good enough to get the ship skills for it? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/4 "2020-08-08T21:09:11Z")
Probably yes. But only you can answer that. You trained warp drive operation to five, so… ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/5 "2020-08-08T21:18:50Z")
heh, guess I should count again. I don’t actually have all 14 at level 5. The Targeting and Navigation section is only level 4. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/6 "2020-08-08T21:28:29Z")
rattle is easier, because you can drop sentries and shoot small fries. Also better tank. ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/7 "2020-08-09T01:13:42Z")
Maybe I’ll see how the test server works and try them all out there ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/8 "2020-08-09T02:12:50Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > rattle is easier, because you can drop sentries and shoot small fries. Also better tank. This … rattle is the pve King and Dominix is the prince. if y have 2 accounts both are amazing, as y can fit all Dominix high slots with shield/armor/ cap … even if some pvper try to bait y y can put a hell of a fight with a domi and a rattle. Domi cap stable with two remote repper OR 2 own rep. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/9 "2020-08-09T02:24:30Z")
i can show you a TFI fit that is not very expensive, easy to skill into and will work circles around the rattlesnake. the tfi fit is also called lawnmower… but it does require really good manually piloting skills due to no shield/armor on it. ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/10 "2020-08-09T04:01:15Z")
That’s why they rattle/Domi are the royal … They don’t require being an ace to use them. rattle is expensive, but Domi is pretty cheap and effective, and also can be fitted with PvP modules to take baiters on hisec. Both very easy to master ---
**Author:** ![Hink\_Yaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hink_yaken/32/247042_2.png) [@Hink\_Yaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hink_Yaken)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/11 "2020-08-09T13:24:12Z")
There is a dedicated standing booster service, you should find them in this forum. Those guys run alot of lvl4 missions for you. Tjese guys recommend the Typhoon Fleet as the ultimate blitzing ship. They claim its even better than the Machariel, the old king of blitzing. I personally would trust the guys that blitz lvl4 missions for a living and copy the TFI they use. If you wanna use Rattle/Raven Navy you should also check the Scorpion Navy. It can be super tanky and deal a ton of dmg. ---
**Author:** ![Zhilia\_Mann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhilia_mann/32/214674_2.png) [@Zhilia\_Mann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhilia_Mann)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/12 "2020-08-09T16:35:47Z")
[Discussion of their fits is actually on reddit](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/fshzee/looking_for_the_best_lvl4_blitz_guide_online/fm3qgve/), though it could also be around here somewhere. Actual fits are [on their own website](http://www.unitedstandings.org/careers/usia-grinder-fittings). ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/13 "2020-08-09T16:48:41Z")
Thanks, I’ve seen those fits. I’m not a big fan of the RHML. Might be worth another look though. ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/14 "2020-08-09T20:02:19Z")
This isn’t bad certainly. Showing 765 DPS with no skills in Minmatar BS and Meta RHML. [Typhoon Fleet Issue, \*L4 Budget UltraBlitzer™️ V1.3] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Missile Guidance Enhancer II Missile Guidance Enhancer II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 500MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive Large Shield Booster II Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II Cap Recharger II ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I ‘Arbalest’ Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher I Drone Link Augmentor II Auto Targeting System I Large Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Caldari Navy Hornet x10 Caldari Navy Vespa x10 Caldari Navy Wasp x2 Inferno Heavy Missile x2144 Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Missile x19820 Missile Precision Script x4 Expanded Cargohold II x7 ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/15 "2020-08-10T03:22:41Z")
that TFI strat looks interesting, I have some doubts about it but if they have the data it’s hard to argue. Warp speed, missile travel time, rhml reload, volley counting, and drone travel time all bother me, in regards to speed, but the pure damage types and application look like huge positives though. I suppose for general mission blitzing it might work better? At this point I’m so entrenched in cherry picked blitzing that the mach warp speed is such an advantage that combat stats barely matter. ---
**Author:** ![Ira\_Infernus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ira_infernus/32/389782_2.png) [@Ira\_Infernus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ira_Infernus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 12:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/16 "2020-08-10T12:19:49Z")
RHML are great, they have better damage application than cruise and torps, cost around the same in terms of ammo, and alphas can skill into t2 (also you don’t have to skill into cruises or torps anyway if you are omega). ---
**Author:** ![Brun\_Warbear](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brun_warbear/32/380353_2.png) [@Brun\_Warbear](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brun_Warbear)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/17 "2020-08-10T12:23:09Z")
Typhoon Fleet Issue is the king of blitzing. ---
**Author:** ![Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kebast_silvermoon/32/244544_2.png) [@Kebast\_Silvermoon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kebast_Silvermoon)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2020, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/18 "2020-08-10T12:25:45Z")
I already have level 4 in cruise. not a big deal, I was eventually going into T2 Heavy anyway for the T2/T3 cruisers maybe. I ran a RHML on the Praxis for a short bit. I was much less skilled then though. I have Minmatar BS training now. I’ll at least see what it looks like now. Thanks all. ---
**Author:** ![Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alasdan_helminthauge/32/242602_2.png) [@Alasdan\_Helminthauge](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alasdan_Helminthauge)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2020, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/19 "2020-09-12T20:55:46Z")
I wonder whether those guys have taken warp time into account. The warping bonus of Machariel is nerfed anyway lol (though still faster than before), but it may be better to fit some warp-speed rigs. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2020, 3:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366/20 "2020-09-13T03:29:13Z")
Are you referring to the USIA and the TFI? [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rattlesnake-vs-raven-navy-issue-for-speedrunning-lv4-missions/259366.md?page=2)