# Re-named: I lost my Azbel with my entire life’s work in the 2 weeks between logging in **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932 "2020-06-18T17:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/326 "2020-06-19T11:05:01Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > There is a big difference. The player owned structures were always removable, easier on not, but they were not always going to be in space, if some player wants hard to remove them. and citadels always had a reliable asset safety… until they ceased to have. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > NPC stations were never removed. Tell that to nullsec outposts that were all completely replaced with citadels - prior to that change they were indestructible as well, only capturable. Which consitutes great difference in here. > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > So CCP removing NPC structures would be really silly. As was the way they handled removal of reliance of core citadel feature. Precedence is set, trust is gone, and that’s the kind of point in here, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/327 "2020-06-19T11:06:01Z")
OP, you are still here, why therefore should CCP care? Their actions have not driven you from the game, which essentially vindicates the decision… and will fuel the next one, and the next ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/328 "2020-06-19T11:07:33Z")
> [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > OP, you are still here, why therefore should CCP care? because he ceased to pay them money? > [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](#): > > Their actions have not driven you from the game, which essentially vindicates the decision… and will fuel the next one, and the next sticking around the forum is not equal to not being driven away from the game, not since they removed restriction that allowed only subbed players to post in here - You would be surprised how many of players active on forums have not touched the game at all in months. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/329 "2020-06-19T11:08:09Z")
I have not logged in since it happend. I also unsubbed. I am just here on the forum to make sure as many people as possible know what happened and what CCP is capable of in which way. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/330 "2020-06-19T11:13:16Z")
Well, that teaches me for being a crap troll… ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/331 "2020-06-19T11:15:38Z")
> [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > citadels always had a reliable asset safety CCP giveth, CCP taketh away. Before asset safety there was nothing and it was good. ---
**Author:** ![Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/forum_posting_alt/32/254303_2.png) [@Forum\_Posting\_Alt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Forum_Posting_Alt)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/332 "2020-06-19T11:18:10Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > CCP giveth, CCP taketh away. Before asset safety there was nothing and it was good. There was, and still is, NPC stations (for now). ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/333 "2020-06-19T11:19:00Z")
Yeah may mistake, trusting in one game mechanic and not the other. I should have guessed better, which one they will change. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/334 "2020-06-19T11:19:12Z")
And there will always be NPC stations. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/335 "2020-06-19T11:19:50Z")
There was always Nullsec Outposts (: ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/336 "2020-06-19T11:20:34Z")
Nullsec outposts were player structures without agents and militia offices. Something what players could put in space, was always to be removed or conquered by players. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/337 "2020-06-19T11:20:54Z")
We will see. Agents and militia offices can possibly be moved to Upwell Structures. Just like research was moved to poses and then to Upwell Structures. NPC-Stations are already not needed for storage anymore. Agents could also, just as easily, be moved to agents in space or purely a menue. If assets in Upwell Structures/Citadels are not safe anymore I wouldn’t bet that NPC-Stations will hold limitless resources in 100% safety forever. NPC-Stations are a legacy mechanic. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/338 "2020-06-19T11:31:45Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > NPC-Stations are already not needed for storage anymore. Of course they’re still needed, who in their right mind would trust a player owned station. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/339 "2020-06-19T11:32:52Z")
Those that don’t have annother option, hence when ccp finally decided to go one step further with their “eve is a cold dark place, everything is destructable, everything you own is at risk” When they remove npc-stations, that’s when ppl will have to move their assets somewhere else. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/340 "2020-06-19T11:34:06Z")
There always remains one option in any MMO, just don’t play it. ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/341 "2020-06-19T11:38:21Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > I am just here on the forum to make sure as many people as possible know what happened and what CCP is capable of in which way. You’re such an altruistic person. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/342 "2020-06-19T11:41:44Z")
We are having this discussion during the Triglavian invasion. If these NPCs take over a system, are the existing NPC stations going to remain? I’m just saying that the “remove a few NPC stations” possibility is most definitely on the table. We have no idea what CCP might do. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/343 "2020-06-19T11:46:05Z")
In that whole post you forgot to write why would they want to do that, when players already can shoot other stations. There is no need, and never was a need, and never will be a need for that, when player structures exist. ---
**Author:** ![Scarlet\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scarlet_starfire/32/244125_2.png) [@Scarlet\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scarlet_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/344 "2020-06-19T11:46:18Z")
I asked one of the devs think it was a short while before citadels were added, answer I got then was nothing was being planned for NPC stations in such a regard. However, with a new company controlling the game they might not want to be shackled with what went before and as this thread has highlighted anything is now possible. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/345 "2020-06-19T11:48:20Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > remove a few NPC stations” possibility is most definitely on the table Triglavians are not interested in stations. Triglavians will be occupying or leaving system after some time, getting what they needed from star. After the extraction will be completed, they could just go back to abyss, achieving the prime objective of invasion. This is the most probable thing that will happen I think. The systems could be staying as abyssal known space, changed in visuals, anyway, occupied or not. But NPC stations unaffected or transferred to Triglavians if they would be there to stay. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=18)