# Re-named: I lost my Azbel with my entire life’s work in the 2 weeks between logging in **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932 "2020-06-18T17:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/576 "2020-06-21T17:50:34Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Playing a game with many other people doesn’t mean that your time investment has value beyond the moment. Yes it does, in mmos. That’s literally the reason the EULA forbids usage of automation systems that “allow you to acquire resources at an accelerated rate”. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Stop acting like EVE is a financial investment when nothing has any cash value and everything you have could be lost at any time. Stop claiming that people time has no value. It’s the same mentality as “ore I mine are free”. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Investing your time in a “hobby” that you don’t enjoy because you have a compulsive need to see some numbers go up is not healthy. You are the only one talking about compulsive or “need”, out of nowhere. It’s just plain BS. You remove that BS and nothing remains. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/577 "2020-06-21T17:56:08Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Yes it does, in mmos. No it doesn’t. Making the game have lots of people does not mean that your time has value beyond the experience of playing the game. > That’s literally the reason the EULA forbids usage of automation systems that “allow you to acquire resources at an accelerated rate”. Uh, no. The EULA has that rule because botting is bad for game balance, not because CCP is afraid that people will have too much cash value in EVE. > Stop claiming that people time has no value. Stop lying. I know it’s difficult for a compulsive liar like you, but you should really try. Nowhere did I say that time has no value. I said that time has no value _beyond the time you spend enjoying your hobby_. You spend 10 hours of time on EVE, you get 10 hours of fun playing a game. If this isn’t enough and you need to receive 10 hours of fun playing a game plus some extra bonus “value” then you have an unhealthy relationship with something that is supposed to be a fun hobby. > You are the only one talking about compulsive or “need”, out of nowhere. It’s just plain BS. Did you bother to read the OP before posting this nonsense? OP clearly states that they were compulsively ratting and mining, activities that they admit they did not enjoy, because they needed to accumulate more assets. OP clearly states that they spent real money RMTing additional ISK just to make their wallet number go up. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/578 "2020-06-21T18:01:18Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Making the game have lots of people does not mean that your time has value beyond the experience of playing the game. Good thing I did not claim such a thing. When you want to be on topic, feel free to start making correct points. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Uh, no. The EULA has that rule because botting is bad for game balance, not because CCP is afraid that people will have too much cash value in EVE. And balance in acquisition rate is important because the time you invest to acquire is important … > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Stop lying. I know it’s difficult for a compulsive liar like you, but you should really try. BS, like all you said. Time has value, period. People investing time in a game is a value they added. In MMOs you acquire ingame resources by spending your time, therefore you invest time into resources and therefore those resource have a value. You claiming that the assets you produce, for example the ore in eve, have no value because it only costs time to acquire, is just completely stupid. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > OP clearly states that they were compulsively ratting No he does not. Stop lying. Or learn to read, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Bitterbread\_Andwine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bitterbread_andwine/32/404114_2.png) [@Bitterbread\_Andwine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bitterbread_Andwine)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/580 "2020-06-21T18:12:41Z")
If a game is subscription-based to the extent that you can’t excersise skills obtained and paid for in time and money without continued monthly injections, and if over-and-above payments increase results above the regular stippends, then it’s not a game, it’s click-bait. Its sole purpose is to separate you from your funds, that’s it. The mentality of that kind of producer would burn a thousand player’s structures in order to raid one worth a few grand in a hear-beat. That’s the whole point. If its not “pay once, play forever” like “No Man’s Sky” (example, not ad) then you are gambling against the house, and the house owns the dice. There’s no ‘sandbox’ about this game. Fallout 4 is a sandbox, Minecraft is a sandbox, EVE is a very rigidly controlled, politically correct (internal politics, mind you), setup from start to finish. Any subscription game which has free-2-play ‘limited’ or ‘Alpha’ modes is going to be the same in these respects. Nobody is making a secure ‘understanding’ with a game distributor by paying a fee any more or less than when one goes to the Wynn Casino in Vegas and gets a room. Your property is not safe in Vegas, and it’s not safe in EVE. Again, the only point is to take your money. It’s a shame, but it’s true. (edited for wrap) ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/582 "2020-06-21T18:19:45Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Unrelated. It’s not at all unrelated. If a thing has value then it can be sold for cash. Nothing in EVE can be sold for cash, nothing in EVE has any financial value. > Nowhere in this quote is there the notion of compulsive. Lolwut? “I don’t enjoy mining or ratting but I do it anyway because I need to see my wallet number go up” is a textbook definition of compulsive behavior. I’m sorry if you’re not smart enough to understand this without the OP explicitly using the world “compulsive”, but that doesn’t make it any less true. > But who are you to force your opinion on other people, claiming that any different opinion is “unhealthy”, or any close meaning term. I’m a person who understands that addiction is a real thing and that the OP is showing signs of addictive behavior and an unhealthy relationship with EVE. > Also, funny that you claim that RMT does not exist. Stop lying. Nowhere did I claim that RMT does not exist. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/583 "2020-06-21T18:21:16Z")
Whatever. Keep claiming that there is no RMT in Eve. That’s all I will retain from your interventions. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No, it’s indisputable reality. Can you sell that ore for cash value outside of EVE? Do you even _own_ the ore you mine? The answer is no to both. According to you, the absence of RMT is an indisputable reality. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/584 "2020-06-21T18:22:04Z")
Personal relationships, happiness and many other things can not be sold for cash. So they all have no value… Sorry, your defintion is fail ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/585 "2020-06-21T18:22:59Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Keep claiming that there is no RMT in Eve. I see you’ve admitted that you have nothing constructive to offer, merely absurd lies. Nowhere did I ever claim that there is no RMT in EVE. Do you honestly think that you’re going to convince anyone with such a blatant lie? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/586 "2020-06-21T18:23:25Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > I don’t think the “original premise” ever was, that those who don’t look into the game for 2 weeks risk having all their progress removed. When exactly was that the premise? Until a couple years back you could have that in ~2 days even with a completely fueled and online POS. There was no magic asset teleportation mechanic. There where no multiple reinforce states with the defender being able to place at least one of them at a time of their choosing and over a week time to organize defenses. This is all still just easy mode compared to those times. All you have to do is put in the fuel for the time you are absent (which can be months) and you still get the magic teleport mechanic. All we got is a simple tweak to punish the people who just carelessly clutter space with their unattended structures. This is a good change in the right direction. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/587 "2020-06-21T18:23:34Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > Personal relationships, happiness and many other things can not be sold for cash. So they all have no value… Do not move the goalposts. We were discussing _financial_ value, not any of those other kinds of value. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/588 "2020-06-21T18:24:35Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > We were discussing _financial_ value No we were not. You were the one who jumped to that conclusion, one more time all by yourself. Just like you jumped to the conclusion that there is no RMT in eve. #soclever ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/589 "2020-06-21T18:25:13Z")
Something doesn’t need monetary value to have high value to someone. And something that has high value of other kinds can still really hurt to lose. Just because something has no monetary value doesn’t mean that noone cares about it. Hence I really care about the collection I created over 8 years, even if it has no monetary value. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/590 "2020-06-21T18:25:58Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No we were not. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Free time HAS monetary value. Stop lying, asshole. Your own words are right there for everyone to see: **monetary** value. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Just like you jumped to the conclusion that there is no RMT in eve. Stop lying. You will either provide a direct quote of me saying “there is no RMT in EVE” or you will STFU with your idiotic nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/591 "2020-06-21T18:26:56Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Stop lying, asshole. Your own words are right there for everyone to see: **monetary** value. Irrelevant, one more time. @ISD_Lord_Arranoth can you remove the insults please ? Not like he had a very convincing post but … ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/592 "2020-06-21T18:28:18Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > Something doesn’t need monetary value to have high value to someone. What’s your point? Anderson Geten started a discussion about monetary value, that is the context in which the word “value” is being used. Those other forms of value have nothing to do with the ongoing discussion that you responded to. > Hence I really care about the collection I created over 8 years No you didn’t, or you would have paid attention to any possible threat to it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/593 "2020-06-21T18:28:50Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Anderson Geten started a discussion about monetary value No I did not. You should learn to read > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Not, it’s the selling point of mmos compared to more casual games. > > In MMOs, your time has value - in the game. But coming from someone who claim that there is no RMT in the game, I mean I’m not colored surprised. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/594 "2020-06-21T18:30:14Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Irrelevant, one more time. Ah yes, you explicitly using the phrase “monetary value” is definitely irrelevant to my claim that you were talking about monetary value (and not, for example, emotional value). How could anyone possibly think that your words there are relevant? @ISD_Lord_Arranoth can you remove Anderson Geten from the forums for posting blatant lies and false accusations as an attempt to provoke a reaction from people? IOW, being an obvious troll? ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/595 "2020-06-21T18:30:53Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No I did not. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Free time HAS monetary value. Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/596 "2020-06-21T18:31:07Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Ah yes, you explicitly using the phrase “monetary value” is definitely irrelevant to my claim that you were talking about monetary value Indeed. Nice, you learnt something today. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Not, it’s the selling point of mmos compared to more casual games. > > In MMOs, your time has value - in the game. PROTIP : value in the game means it’s not “absolute financial value” ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/597 "2020-06-21T18:32:28Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > PROTIP : value in the game means it’s not “absolute financial value” > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > monetary value Stop lying. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=29)