# Re-named: I lost my Azbel with my entire life’s work in the 2 weeks between logging in **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932 "2020-06-18T17:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/41 "2020-06-18T19:02:46Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > I did all the mindnumbing grinding and then got it removed before beeing able to use it. Wow. That statement is going to have the internet trolls pouring into this topic. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/9/3/9381e5e5d32db2d683493222271879aed8082cf4.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/42 "2020-06-18T19:03:16Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Because **quite literally** that is what CCP **explicitly** promised when they created citadels. And then that got changed, stated up front numerous times. Updates, launcher info and a zillion other things. You’d have to be real blind, real dumb or real zombie afk to not notice any of this. Me personally I don’t own a citadel, use one or even hunt them. I didn’t actively play for a looong time and even _I_ knew about it. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/43 "2020-06-18T19:04:02Z")
the problem is that the asset / stuff is floating in space … people can approach the stuff , look at the stuff , people should be able to shot or take the stuff but ccp gave you to little time to secure your stuff and imho thats the wrong part edit: > [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > Accusing me of beeing a risk-adverse carebear is not really fitting. I don’t think this is a fair assesment of my playstyle: never accused you of being a carebear i even said you have 60 solo kills and did pvp and i fell you bro, I’m not taking your right to be sad about it, it kinda suck i think ccp should have given you more time … i like the removal of abandoned struts im principle ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/44 "2020-06-18T19:09:37Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > Because **quite literally** that is what CCP **explicitly** promised when they created citadels. > > And then that got changed, stated up front numerous times. Updates, launcher info and a zillion other things. You’d have to be real blind, real dumb or real zombie afk to not notice any of this. > > Me personally I don’t own a citadel, use one or even hunt them. I didn’t actively play for a looong time and even _I_ knew about it. Sometimes, people are unable to notice announced changes, or react to them if they do. That’s why changes _never_ retroactively apply to what happened before they went into effect. All prior changes had grandfather clauses built into them (such as SP reimbursement for removed skills, or not being retroactively banned for performing something that becomes an official exploit). Seriously, name **one** other change that caused players to lose their assets _by inaction_ alone. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/45 "2020-06-18T19:10:12Z")
In general I don’t know if its a good idea to make stuff in citadels 100% droppable and in NPC-Stations 100% safe. I don’t understand the reasoning and find it rather random. I would not however mind, if I had known, and just moved my ■■■■. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/46 "2020-06-18T19:12:34Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > I don’t understand the reasoning and find it rather random. I would not however mind, if I had known, and just moved my ■■■■. yes… thats were i think ccp F up… with more time people like you would have secured their stuff better ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/47 "2020-06-18T19:18:05Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Seriously, name **one** other change that caused players to lose their assets _by inaction_ alone. Every time CCP changes something that affects market supply or demand for stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Buoytender\_Bob](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buoytender_bob/32/374377_2.png) [@Buoytender\_Bob](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buoytender_Bob)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/48 "2020-06-18T19:20:23Z")
Those changes merely reduce the value, not completely REMOVE the value. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/49 "2020-06-18T19:26:33Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > Obviously I unsubbed the same day. ![Good riddance](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/c/2c7838ae68621d7109f8cf4abc5e4e2c9ff8528e.jpeg) PS: I didn’t read the rest of your obvious whine. ---
**Author:** ![Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayce_fitzpatrick/32/383289_2.png) [@Jayce\_Fitzpatrick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jayce_Fitzpatrick)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/50 "2020-06-18T19:27:20Z")
![talking_shit](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/b/4b285b0d7d67b71482220f575ebbdf8040f21afe.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/51 "2020-06-18T19:27:54Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > > [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > > > > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > > > > > Seriously, name **one** other change that caused players to lose their assets _by inaction_ alone. > > > > Every time CCP changes something that affects market supply or demand for stuff. > > Those changes merely reduce the value, not completely REMOVE the value. Exactly. Furthermore, changes that result in being able to predict significant market volatility are rarely announced ahead of time, so you can’t preemptively get ready for them. And many other changes that result in values for goods changing can’t be planned for _anyway_ because it’s all speculative in nature. Meanwhile, this change resulted in direct asset loss. So once again, name _one_ other change that CCP has ever implemented that resulted in the loss of assets due to player inaction. > [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > PS: I didn’t read the rest of your obvious whine. What he wrote didn’t feel like a whine to me, tbh. ---
**Author:** ![Magnus\_Carta](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/magnus_carta/32/210653_2.png) [@Magnus\_Carta](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Magnus_Carta)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/53 "2020-06-18T19:28:48Z")
> [@Buoytender\_Bob](#): > > Those changes merely reduce the value, not completely REMOVE the value. That wasn’t what was asked so it doesn’t matter. You can’t keep adding exceptions whenever proof is given. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/54 "2020-06-18T19:30:04Z")
> [@Magnus\_Carta](#): > > doesn’t matter. Yo There are dockable stations for 17 years. You were not able to lose your items in any dockable station for 17 years. What is wrong with that statement? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/55 "2020-06-18T19:35:06Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > There are dockable stations for 17 years. You were not able to lose your items in any dockable station for 17 years. What is wrong with that statement? They are not citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/56 "2020-06-18T19:35:24Z")
Where did I say that there were? You cannot misinterpret my statements any way you like and then call me a liar. Well I guess you just did ^^ ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/58 "2020-06-18T19:46:10Z")
Nicolai is merely here to remove the whine from your otherwise decent description of what happened. Do not resist. In fact, OP, you really ought to change the title of this thread - it is provoking a lot of good discussion, but this kind of rant tends to get closed by the forum moderators, especially when you call out CCP in the title. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/59 "2020-06-18T19:48:13Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Do not resist. Resistance _is_ futile ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/60 "2020-06-18T19:50:00Z")
@ [Nicolai Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner) If you want to be that picky an Abzbel isnt even a citadel or station. It is an engineering complex, which belongs to upwell structures. > [@Xeux](#): > > in the title. Make a suggestion for the title. I chose it to have a lot of people read my story because I feel rather strongly in my disappointment and the feeling of betrayal. ---
**Author:** ![Xxar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xxar/32/373954_2.png) [@Xxar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xxar)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/61 "2020-06-18T19:51:11Z")
That’s EvE for ya brutal and unforgiving. If only you’d continued to sacrifice more of your life away to CCplz… if only if only ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/62 "2020-06-18T19:53:26Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > If you want to be that picky an Abzbel isnt even a citadel It is a citadel. Thanks for proving you’re retarded indeed. EDIT: It is a citadel because the Upwell structures were introduced as citadels and subsequently everybody calls all structures citadels. You will not tempt me to get into talking Andersen semantics crap. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932.md?page=4)