# Re-named: I lost my Azbel with my entire life’s work in the 2 weeks between logging in **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 18, 2020, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932 "2020-06-18T17:39:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 31
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/648 "2020-06-21T19:50:13Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > You don’t own that asset. CCP owns that asset. Try again. Then you have answered your own question , and it implies that you were wrong to start with. You **CAN** sell an item for RL cash. This is done by transfering the access to the asset - yet what you are selling or buying is the asset, because the asset and its access are the same thing - an asset is only used by its access. There is no asset without its access and there is no access without an asset. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/649 "2020-06-21T19:52:56Z")
Ok let’s put it in a way both of you are happy. We, as players, own the current right to access assets with our accounts. We own the sole access to those assets unless CCP interfers. You can also call this “sole access” a good. We can sell this “sole access” to someone else and therefore sell this good to someone else for real money. This act however is not allowed by CCP. If you echange “owned assets” with “sole access to assets” everyone should be happy. This bit of grammar doesn’t change a thing, but you guys knew that the whole time anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/650 "2020-06-21T19:53:52Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > This bit of grammar doesn’t change a thing Except it does, because the whole point of this was trying to establish a monetary value for the assets themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/651 "2020-06-21T19:54:07Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Except it does, because the whole point of this was trying to establish a monetary value for the assets themselves. No it was not. You created this “whole point” by your lack of comprehension, just like you ignore my analogy of “there is no hand to hold the asset” actually literally telling you that your begging the question was stupid to start with. Just like you claiming that there is no RMT in eve is stupid. You **can** sell the items IRL, and it’s forbidden. ---
**Author:** ![Destriouth\_Hollow](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destriouth_hollow/32/211314_2.png) [@Destriouth\_Hollow](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destriouth_Hollow)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/652 "2020-06-21T19:54:44Z")
The “sole access to assets” has monetary value on the black market. Therefore it can be sold, even if it is not allowed. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/653 "2020-06-21T19:54:46Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > This is done by transfering the access to the asset No such transfer exists, because no access right exists to be transferred. If CCP bans your account and revokes your access to your assets then you can not sue them for lost value. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/654 "2020-06-21T19:56:21Z")
> [@Destriouth\_Hollow](#): > > The “sole access to assets” has monetary value on the black market. Therefore it can be sold, even if it is not allowed. Perhaps, if you’re dumb enough to buy something. It’s more like a black market seller saying “I have a bridge for sale” and finding a sufficiently gullible customer. They may receive money, but the buyer is going to be in for an unfortunate surprise when they realize that they paid money and received nothing in return. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 7:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/655 "2020-06-21T19:58:06Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No such transfer exists, because no access right exists to be transferred. so now you are telling me you can’t exchange assets in the game because you are not CCP. The stupider, the merrier I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/656 "2020-06-21T20:00:05Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > so now you are telling me you can’t exchange assets in the game because you are not CCP. Oh look, the idiot troll is too stupid to understand the difference between transferring items in the game and a _right_ to access. Here’s a hint: a _right_ to access is something that can not be taken away (at least without owing compensation). And guess what happens if CCP revokes your “right” to access. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/658 "2020-06-21T20:14:31Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > the difference between transferring items in the game and a _right_ to access. The main difference being, that you are the only one using that term. But again, comprehension issues at his finest. You claim, that no transfer can be done in the game, because we are not CCP. That’s deeper and fatter stupidity you are digging. Please keep going, soon you will tell us that we cant send mails because we are not the Queen. I mean, you already claimed that there is no RMT, so I did not expect such an amount of added nonsense. But at the same time, from someone who goes all insults the momen the is proven wrong, I should have suspected. Go take your drugs, you forgot them. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/659 "2020-06-21T20:16:33Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > You claim, that no transfer can be done in the game, because you are not CCP. Stop lying. I said that no transfer **of ownership** can be done unless you are CCP. And I stand by that claim: CCP owns all in-game items and is the only one who can transfer ownership of them. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I mean, you already claimed that there is no RMT, Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/660 "2020-06-21T20:22:09Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > I said that no transfer **of ownership** can be done unless you are CCP. no, you literally claimed that no transfer of items can be done for RL cash, when I wrote that the transfer of items was done through the transfer of the access since the item and its access are the same thing. no you are brain farting. You added “right of” for o reason, and thus made a new strawman that you needed to fight since you were proven wrong once again. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/661 "2020-06-21T20:22:48Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > no, you literally claimed that no transfer of items can be done for RL cash No transfer **of ownership** can be done for cash. Stop lying. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/662 "2020-06-21T20:23:44Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > the item and its access are the same thing. They aren’t. The item still exists even if you can’t access it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/663 "2020-06-21T20:23:49Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > No transfer **of ownership** You are lying. You answered to me talking about transfer by saying it was not possible. So you are the only who just added ownership after realizing the stupidity of your own post. > [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > They aren’t. The item still exists even if you can’t access it. Unrelated. The item and its access are still the same thing. The access is in the item(literally in the DB line of the item) and there is no access without item. It’s funny that you are misunderstanding every thing I wrote, and making strawmen like it was a job. But yeah it’s easier to pretend that there is no RMT. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/664 "2020-06-21T20:28:15Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_lord_arranoth/32/297296_2.png) [@ISD\_Lord\_Arranoth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Lord_Arranoth)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2020, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/re-named-i-lost-my-azbel-with-my-entire-life-s-work-in-the-2-weeks-between-logging-in/249932/665 "2020-06-21T20:29:48Z")
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