# Reason why I hate Eve's pvp, and its pvpers

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reason-why-i-hate-eves-pvp-and-its-pvpers/141571>\
**Category:** Warfare & Tactics\
**Created:** [February 21, 2019, 12:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reason-why-i-hate-eves-pvp-and-its-pvpers/141571 "2019-02-21T12:02:17Z")\
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**Author:** ![Tradulix](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tradulix/32/275143_2.png) [@Tradulix](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tradulix)\
**Post date:** [October 7, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reason-why-i-hate-eves-pvp-and-its-pvpers/141571/123 "2019-10-07T06:34:18Z")

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> [@Kilon\_Alios](#):
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> I have done some PVP in EVE , here and there, but I quickly discovered that if you are serious PVP player you simply do not play EVE, period. EVE is a PVE game. Maybe once it was a PVP game (I seriously doubt it) but clearly now is not.

You have no clue, what you are talking about. You try to expain PvP. PvP has nothing to do with fairness!  
PvP is the interaction between player - nothing else. You don’t need an arena and a ranking system for PvP in a single persistent open world. You are talking about matches! But please guys, stop mix up matches with PvP!!! Every match is pvp (if players interact with each other), but not every pvp is a match. So, if you want to match up, then play this sort of games … and of course Eve Online never will become an esport-game, because it’s not a matchgame like DotA/LoL/etc!

But I know people are talking about this since Ultima Online, and will talk about this in 30 years … and won’t learn the difference between pvp and the specialization of pvp “match”.

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**Author:** ![Caedor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caedor/32/151508_2.png) [@Caedor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caedor)\
**Post date:** [October 21, 2019, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reason-why-i-hate-eves-pvp-and-its-pvpers/141571/124 "2019-10-21T21:33:03Z")

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> [@Rich\_Darine](#):
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> Yep, if it always smells like ■■■■, try looking under your own shoe.

Is that where you are hiding?

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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [January 19, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/reason-why-i-hate-eves-pvp-and-its-pvpers/141571/125 "2020-01-19T21:33:08Z")

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