# Rebalance of drilling ships.2021 **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [September 14, 2021, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745 "2021-09-14T08:33:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Freyja\_Von-Asgard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/freyja_von-asgard/32/475370_2.png) [@Freyja\_Von-Asgard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Freyja_Von-Asgard)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 8:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/1 "2021-09-14T08:33:10Z")
Good time of day. People who don’t know what kind of rebalancing of drilling vessels is waiting for us? And I would like to know about gas and ice storage facilities, and I was told in my alliance that CCP will allegedly present a new vessel for gas production. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 10:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/2 "2021-09-14T10:04:17Z")
The only thing I have heard is that moon goo will compressible and all mining ships are getting a balance pass. If the balance pass is only nerfs, expect more players to leave the game. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/3 "2021-09-14T11:27:17Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > If the balance pass is only nerfs, expect more players to leave the game. mmmm then they are wrong. Because if mining ships are nerfed, the minerals/ore/moongo supply will decrease, prices/m3 will go up, and therefore miners will mine less volume but with better isks/m3 ratio. So leaving the game is not smart. Rather adapt, find new opportunities etc for example, ice changes (and fuel use during the Imperium/PAPI war ;)) have resulted in a serious increase of isotopes prices HTFU or leave ---
**Author:** ![JayEm\_HighCastle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayem_highcastle/32/395581_2.png) [@JayEm\_HighCastle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayEm_HighCastle)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 11:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/4 "2021-09-14T11:46:01Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > The only thing I have heard is that moon goo will compressible I had also read that moon ores will have the other minerals removed from them (i.e. only the moon specific minerals will be left after processing, not trit or pyre etc). At least with hisec moon ores. ---
**Author:** ![Ash\_Beldrulf](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ash_beldrulf/32/473706_2.png) [@Ash\_Beldrulf](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ash_Beldrulf)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 12:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/5 "2021-09-14T12:12:58Z")
> [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > HTFU or leave Well that worked so good the first time. CCP is driving players from the game with the mining changes for the last two years. CCP can not afford to lose many more players. I can not wait to see the next quarter financial report. > [@JayEm\_HighCastle](#): > > I had also read that moon ores will have the other minerals removed from them (i.e. only the moon specific minerals will be left after processing, not trit or pyre etc). At least with hisec moon ores. If CCP does that then the last couple of moon stations in High sec will come down. Mining has lost all the reward for the risk of undocking expensive mining ships or mining fleets. CCP stated that high sec would be the only supplier of tri for the WHOLE game. Well within 60 days Null Sec had tri back and then CCP greatly reduced the amount of tri needed for the whole game with BPO changes. CCP does not have a clue about this game or it’s players. CCP won’t have to worry about a forever game at this rate, unless everyone wants a server with 10,000 players or less on it. ---
**Author:** ![Zayisha\_Andara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zayisha_andara/32/249831_2.png) [@Zayisha\_Andara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zayisha_Andara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/6 "2021-09-14T12:21:47Z")
> [@Ash\_Beldrulf](#): > > Well within 60 days Null Sec had tri back Wait what? Must have missed that. You remember which Patch? ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/7 "2021-09-14T15:00:56Z")
> [@JayEm\_HighCastle](#): > > I had also read that moon ores will have the other minerals removed from them (i.e. only the moon specific minerals will be left after processing, not trit or pyre etc). They already did that on any moon ore that matters. ---
**Author:** ![JayEm\_HighCastle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayem_highcastle/32/395581_2.png) [@JayEm\_HighCastle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayEm_HighCastle)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/8 "2021-09-14T15:32:49Z")
> [@Gergoran\_Moussou](#): > > They already did that on any moon ore that matters. I’m new to moon mining so I’ll take your word for it. As far as the common hisec ores (Coesite, Sylvite, Bitumens etc) those are still giving Trit and Pyre as well as the moon stuff. ---
**Author:** ![May\_Q\_Cry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/may_q_cry/32/370362_2.png) [@May\_Q\_Cry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/May_Q_Cry)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/9 "2021-09-14T17:20:57Z")
A lot of the information is out there in bits and pieces from various interviews and livestreams over the past year. They want Orcas and Rorquals to be used for giving fleet boosts and not for mining. They dont like the fact that people use Orcas for solo mining. They have some other bonus planned for the Orca, probably giving it the ability to compress ore. They are adding new types of holds besides just the ore hold mining ships have now. They will be adding new types; ice holds and gas holds. The ecosystem outlook from the beginning of the year said they want to balance mining ships so every ship has a “unique role”. Based on those statements and some things said by CSM and other sources, I think we will be getting barge/exhumers meant for ice only, a set for gas only, etc. Maybe they will make a mining drone based barge/exhumer since Orcas wont really be mining ships anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/10 "2021-09-14T18:08:19Z")
> [@JayEm\_HighCastle](#): > > still giving Trit and Pyre as well as the moon stuff its Pyre and Mex, and yes they still are present. > [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > Based on those statements and some things said by CSM and other sources, I think we will be getting barge/exhumers meant for ice only, a set for gas only, etc. I hope this isn’t reverting barges/exhumers back towards the old role system (skiff for Morph, Mack for ice, Hulk for ore) > [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > Maybe they will make a mining drone based barge/exhumer since Orcas wont really be mining ships anymore. This would make my decade, main reason I mine in an Orca now. ---
**Author:** ![JayEm\_HighCastle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayem_highcastle/32/395581_2.png) [@JayEm\_HighCastle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayEm_HighCastle)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/11 "2021-09-14T18:11:35Z")
> [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > its Pyre and Mex, and yes they still are present. I get trit and pyre from Coesite, Bitumens, Slyvite etc. in hiec. > [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > This would make my decade, main reason I mine in an Orca now. One of the things I read said it was felt Orcas are too powerful (I presume meaning to well tanked). 🙄 I was all posted on the forum a few months ago. I’ll see if I can find that thread again. ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/12 "2021-09-14T18:20:15Z")
Then you have some special moon ore because I am looking at the info right now and it shows Pyer and Mex. There are a lot of concerns about the Orca. I would prefer they didn’t take away mining from them, but I totally expect it. I don’t think they would remove anything else, unless they add compression and reduce hold size to make up for it. ---
**Author:** ![JayEm\_HighCastle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jayem_highcastle/32/395581_2.png) [@JayEm\_HighCastle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayEm_HighCastle)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/13 "2021-09-14T18:21:14Z")
> [@Lugues\_Slive](#): > > Then you have some special moon ore because I am looking at the info right now and it shows Pyer and Mex. I stand corrected. I thought it was Trit. Thanks. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Lugues\_Slive](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugues_slive/32/454530_2.png) [@Lugues\_Slive](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugues_Slive)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2021, 6:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/14 "2021-09-14T18:39:39Z")
> [@May\_Q\_Cry](#): > > They are adding new types of holds besides just the ore hold mining ships have now. They will be adding new types; ice holds and gas holds. If I would hazard a guess on the new holds, I would first expect the Prospect to change to a gas miner and the Endurance to get an ice hold. This would make ORE Frigates; Venture is ore only, Prospect is gas only, Endurance is ice only. This would remove venture gas mining from Alphas. Because of fleet support issues with specialized holds, I would expect either the Porpoise, Orca, or both to get multiple small holds and compression or specialized hulls for each resource type. I would like new hulls for barge/exhumers for ice/gas but I kind of think that we will just loose existing hulls to resource specialization and ore miners will get stuck in paper thin Hulks so we can die by the dozens :). ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 4:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/15 "2021-09-15T04:44:44Z")
yeah and the cost of my kestrels will go up and time spent having fun vs grinding isk will go down. sooo people will quit. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/16 "2021-09-15T09:09:57Z")
at the same time many players found ridiculous the low cost of caps, etc, and the fact that you could not tackle anythg without getting dropped by dozens of caps. Don’t forget that many players here asked changes from CCP to increase ships costs, specially caps costs. Scarcity results from that. and if you quit the game because the cost of your KESTREL increases… lol ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/17 "2021-09-15T12:18:22Z")
> [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > and the fact that you could not tackle anythg without getting dropped by dozens of caps. This has never been the case. If you’re having this problem you’re hunting in the wrong place. And scarcity didn’t make it any less common. Christ snuff just dropped and lost two faction titans over a ls fw fight. It’s not the big players that are affected by increased costs. It’s the guys who just want to get on and pew. ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Math](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/complex_math/32/378387_2.png) [@Complex\_Math](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Complex_Math)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/18 "2021-09-15T13:52:40Z")
I wonder if the Porpoise will be nerfed as well. I really like that ship, but always felt it was underutilized - since the Orca is practically better in every way. ---
**Author:** ![Gergoran\_Moussou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gergoran_moussou/32/381607_2.png) [@Gergoran\_Moussou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gergoran_Moussou)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 1:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/19 "2021-09-15T13:56:32Z")
> [@JayEm\_HighCastle](#): > > the common hisec ores (Coesite, Sylvite, Bitumens etc) those are still giving Trit and Pyre as well as the moon stuff. Like I said, the ore that matters already lost it. ---
**Author:** ![Wyk\_Bathana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wyk_bathana/32/374287_2.png) [@Wyk\_Bathana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wyk_Bathana)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2021, 1:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745/20 "2021-09-15T13:58:02Z")
> [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](#): > > > [@Wyk\_Bathana](#): > > > > and the fact that you could not tackle anythg without getting dropped by dozens of caps. > > This has never been the case. man the fact that it never happened to YOU, in the region where YOU hunt, with YOUR playstyle, doesn’t mean that it does not happen to other pilots, you know. Eve offers a wide variety of playstyles and environment so “this has never been the case” has 100% of chances of being wrong. Try to stay open of what happens to others. It happened regularly to me and my friend (and still happens)… [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rebalance-of-drilling-ships-2021/327745.md?page=2)