# Recent Patch Huge Buff for Suicide Gankers, THANKS CCP! \<3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 30, 2019, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987 "2019-05-30T05:47:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/224 "2019-06-02T21:01:08Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > the high sec gankers whine more than any other profession in the game Could you please post here an example of such whining? Hint: Pointing to a ganker “whining” about someone else that’s the one actually whining because he thinks the game is “unbalanced” and favours ganking, doesn’t qualify. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > They toss out false accusations out of fear of getting called out on how easy and risk free it is to do what they do. Again, citation needed, please. > [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Most actual players are pretty indifferent to their antics and most anti gank threads are started by CODE alts to stir up the pot since it’s even easier to play the forum than it is to go through the trouble of logging in and shooting something. Am I understanding it correctly that this is what you consider an example of a non-false accusation? Or do you mean something else? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/225 "2019-06-02T21:19:45Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Again, I said **shuttles** , not corvettes… What do you mean “generating”? noob ships (corvettes) are magic ships, generated out of thin air by undocking and redocking. Oh god, dryson post incoming ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/226 "2019-06-02T21:20:07Z")
> [@Foggy\_Bernstein](#): > > Most actual players are pretty indifferent to their antics and most anti gank threads are started by CODE alts to stir up the pot since it’s even easier to play the forum than it is to go through the trouble of logging in and shooting something. Could the reason be that they are running bots elsewhere in the game? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/227 "2019-06-02T21:25:00Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > noob ships (corvettes) are magic ships, generated out of thin air by undocking and redocking Haha, I know, I think you missed the point here, my question was rhetorical. He seemed to be making this appear a bigger deal than it is by pretending the corvettes must be manually generated one by one that way… Except I said shuttles instead of corvettes _precisely for that reason_… ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/228 "2019-06-02T21:46:45Z")
A starter zone 🙂 > [@Elena\_Laskova](#): > > As a company CCP has essentially no experience in making their game attractive to new players (the NPE makes it “less unattractive” which isn’t the same thing). Other, much richer companies have tried this, and damaged their game in the process (notably Blizzard with WoW, but someone posted lately that Sony / SWG, and perhaps Runescape (?) had comparable issues) . > > So we have a hard problem, a tight budget, too little experience, and one of the most important groups of actors (players) is deadlocked rather than seeking workable compromises. > > It’s a recipe for disaster 🙂 Herzog’s cure for disaster (help noobs, save the game) - Make empire NAVY NPC factions actuallty at FACTION war with each other so noobs are actually PVPing in their Corvettes from day one. Have noob missions send them across paths of the players in other areas. This puts to death the “victim/victimizer” slots that Eve players get stuck in. - Have NPC corps sporadically declare war on each other, with their own destructable temporary stations or citadels even, so that players not in corps will fight each other and old and new will fight against and alongside each other. Again, no more victim/victimizer roles, not “falling in love with ships”. Make players into these scrappy pugilistic types. Oh wait, the litterbox crowd don’t get their grief and tears. F them. - Make Faction Warfare actual warfare by having players gain a rank in their faction that means something and they get rewarded ships only they can fly (because I can hear the “hurr durr I’ll just sell them” forum fu morons already) . Rank and performance in actual PVP, not plex bullcrap, but other player kills, means more rewards, better ships, higher rank, etc. - Make resources FINITE. That is, you mine the balls off a moon, it stops yielding! How hard is this? Everybody and their brother ratting in a system? The rats say “hey, it’s a bit crowded in here. Time we moved operations for a bit”. Mine the rocks to death? No rocks for a while. Oh but the farmers! Hear the lamentations of the farmers! HURF BLURF I’M GOING TO QUIT IF I CAN’T ENDLESSLY FARM FOR NO REASON DAY IN AND DAY OUT! Deal with it. This will actually make people move around and cause… OMG oh no it might get in the way of… FARMING… conflict! You know, like 90 percent of all strife and conflict in the entire history of the human race. - Fix fleet battles. When every ship in a fleet tries to lock a target, all those signals bouncing off it are going to create hell for a successful lock. That’s right, no more F1 monkey baitball. Ship size versus “how many can lock it” versus “size of the ships trying to lock it”. Make fleet battles great… uh… FOR ONCE. - But give every ship the option to “strafe” meaning, fire in the same direction you are facing. Oh, going to lock people up with that ECM ship? Heh heh. It would also look cool. Bombers can do it with bombs, so should everybody. - Get rid of the CSM. The real world is starting to see the farce of these “democracies” - you know, the kind that is gamed to death and you are told your vote matters by people who have it rigged in their favor. Who wants to pay to play a game that is still stuck with it? Lets have real leadership here by CCP. - Blow up Jita 4-4 or put a nasty tariff in place. Are not the Caldari tired of having to handle all this load and not be compensated? - Use copyright law to put an end to people using blogs or personal websites to libel and slander or make fun of other players. Make all game convos property of the game and any sharing or posting a bannable offense. What happens in Eve needs to stay in Eve. Nobody will pay to be the butt of someone else’s joke. None of this will happen. We can’t have nice things. But I was already not subbing again because the people who slandered and falsely accused Brisc have not faced any kind of justice for their actions. This means there is no law, just mobs and gangs, and as a player there is no protection from meta-injustice. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 2, 2019, 10:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/229 "2019-06-02T22:14:57Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > None of this will happen. We can’t have nice things. Everything that you mentioned can be gamed, min max, and exploited. Finite resources? Cool, an organized Lowsec fleet will just rip through all of the valuable resources with their supers and lock newer players out. This also means that AUTZ, CNTZ, and EUTZ players are in the best positions to cherrypick and take all of the good resources before USTZ players even get a chance to wake up. Sucks for them living on one side of the planet, right? NPC corps with destructable stations or citadels? Do they drop loot? If they do, congrats, they’ll be farmed for loot by organized groups. If they don’t, then why waste time with it? Again, this doesn’t actually help newer players. Newer players would’t even have the game knowledge to know how to attack a structure. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > rewarded ships only they can fly (because I can hear the “hurr durr I’ll just sell them” forum fu morons already) How do you even plan on enforcing this? Lmao. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Fix fleet battles. Oh yeah, CCP should just “fix” them. Brilliant idea. Just “fix” fleet battles. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > But give every ship the option to “strafe” meaning, fire in the same direction you are facing. Why would we need this? What does this actually do to “help noobs” as you said? > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Blow up Jita 4-4 > or put a nasty tariff in place. Are not the Caldari tired of having to handle all this load and not be compensated? Why? How does this “help noobs” and “avoid disaster”? > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Use copyright law to put an end to people using blogs or personal websites to libel and slander or make fun of other players. Make all game convos property of the game and any sharing or posting a bannable offense. What happens in Eve needs to stay in Eve. Nobody will pay to be the butt of someone else’s joke. LMAO, ok not gonna lie you had me in the first half. Good troll. > [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > This means there is no law, just mobs and gangs, and as a player there is no protection from meta-injustice. Congratulations, you truly understand the harsh universe that EVE Online is supposed to be. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/230 "2019-06-03T00:58:05Z")
I was in the back of my mind thinking you were going to sperg on this. I must have left quite an impression on you. Thanks for taking the time. You might be in need of some self-honesty. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/231 "2019-06-03T01:00:36Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > . I must have left quite an impression on you. I’m just on vacation right now and have plenty of time to kill. It’s a unique experience to see the kinds of ideas that high sec carebears have and I’m just commenting on how it seems like you really didn’t lit much thought into any of these. That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/232 "2019-06-03T01:02:24Z")
Sure you are. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/233 "2019-06-03T01:19:41Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I said **shuttles** , remember? Okay, fair enough, but it still seems really silly to me to play off buying and hauling a shuttle for every catalyst and pre-seeding them etc. like it’s not a significant pain in the ass. Not really going to argue it any further, it’s all pretty obvious if you are the least bit familiar. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/234 "2019-06-03T01:28:57Z")
It did make sense when based in Niarja. That has changed now. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/235 "2019-06-03T06:14:20Z")
Nice thread. Well done. ---
**Author:** ![Zeb\_Pike](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zeb_pike/32/267412_2.png) [@Zeb\_Pike](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zeb_Pike)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/236 "2019-06-03T13:33:49Z")
humm nothing new here its been this way forever they gank you then undock from station in a noob ship pulling concord from the belts. come right back and gank u again lol however if you use and alt to bring concord back to the belt with a sacrifice gank to keep them in the belt this is consider a banable offence never understood that why dont the gankers get ban when they pull concord from the belts when they undock in there noob ship ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 1:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/237 "2019-06-03T13:42:13Z")
You are confusing consequence for safety. CONCORD is there to provide consequence for an illegal act, not act as a warm fuzzy safety blanket of protection for anything/everything that goes bump in the night. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/238 "2019-06-03T14:10:15Z")
> [@Zeb\_Pike](#): > > however if you use and alt to bring concord back to the belt with a sacrifice gank to keep them in the belt this is consider a banable offence No. No, that’s not true at all. Ask a GM. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 2:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/239 "2019-06-03T14:41:23Z")
> [@Zeb\_Pike](#): > > however if you use and alt to bring concord back to the belt with a sacrifice gank to keep them in the belt this is consider a banable offence Only if you recycle alts to do it to avoid the security hit, which some miners tend to do. Otherwise it is perfectly fine to pre-spawn CONCORD in your belt. ---
**Author:** ![Vodiann](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vodiann/32/492047_2.png) [@Vodiann](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vodiann)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/240 "2019-06-03T15:02:01Z")
if ccp wanted to stop concord ship manipulations they just need to make highsec gate and station guns instant lock cycle and instant kills after so many seconds of a player getting flagged it isnt that way so i see nothing wrong =) ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/241 "2019-06-03T15:18:35Z")
Or, ya know, not have deliberately programmed that feature into the game in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/242 "2019-06-03T16:53:00Z")
You mean CONCORD and the red security setting are not hacks but deliberately implemented features? Oh dear!!! ---
**Author:** ![LlamaDrama](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/llamadrama/32/153423_2.png) [@LlamaDrama](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/LlamaDrama)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/243 "2019-06-03T17:11:38Z")
And when CCP respond to this thread by removing this feature for gankers, or by brutually nerfing ganking somehow, we can all thank you for your stupidity, Galaxy pig? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987.md?page=11) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987.md?page=13)