# Recent Patch Huge Buff for Suicide Gankers, THANKS CCP! \<3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 30, 2019, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987 "2019-05-30T05:47:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/62 "2019-05-30T13:52:11Z")
You need a puller for every ganker you will be using… ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/63 "2019-05-30T13:52:36Z")
Ok, that sound balanced ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/64 "2019-05-30T13:55:29Z")
The funnest part is lighting up local with your pullers going all blinky and then hitting a target a few minutes later and then asking, “Hey guy, did you NOT see what just happened a few minutes ago? Did you not get the hint that something was about to go down?” Miners…a funny bunch. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/65 "2019-05-30T13:57:14Z")
If miners is the challenge are you looking in this game, then you have very low expectations from yourself 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/66 "2019-05-30T14:00:05Z")
The notion that miners are pre-aligned when mining always seems to surprise me, because unlike rats that follow you when you align asteroids stay stubbornly in the spot that they were and will not follow you and there is only so much distance before you are out of range. I can assure you however that a fair number of miners rely on the school of fish method of hoping that the gankers nab someone else and not them. Gankers, a funny bunch, don’t like lambs either ROFL… ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/67 "2019-05-30T14:00:24Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Ya I really, really don’t care if you believe me or not… Okay, well just a touch of advice: Saying goofy stuff no ganker would ever say is not a very good way to convince people you were a ganker. > [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > I was simply stating that I personally roamed about 23 systems in a region and had stored ships/ammo in key places so than while you are twiddling your thumbs waiting for the timer to spin down, you could prep the **gankers AND the pullers** easily. I think I used about 5 stations in key spots… Like, look here. _What the hell are you talking about?_ Put down the shovel, brother! ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/68 "2019-05-30T14:01:28Z")
Oh god no…I did that for a year but realized that while James is pure and the one true light of NW, many of the agents are anything but. Honestly, I met a ton of nice miners in that time and helped a bunch too…it was kinda fun patrolling the same areas are you got to know a lot of the locals… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/69 "2019-05-30T14:04:37Z")
Use a higgs…go slow…make BMs…use two existing points and double back on yourself… There are FOUR ways to not only be aligned but also moving and able to almost instawarp. …and yes, miners use the “oh please god not me” fit a lot… ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/70 "2019-05-30T14:08:43Z")
You’re the pro Pig…I just wore the hat for a while. Never claimed anything else. If you don’t get what I was doing then that’s your issue… ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/71 "2019-05-30T14:09:26Z")
Until gankers will be so present to force miners to stay aligned all the time, all miners have been quitted the game or moved in delve 😂 ---
**Author:** ![Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darth_schweinebacke/32/497371_2.png) [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Darth_Schweinebacke)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/72 "2019-05-30T14:12:12Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > I find bumping a poor mechanic which is imbalanced against casual hisec players which makes them too easy to kill because of it and has no real counter. It is not a case of don’t like it is a poor mechanic which is out of balance. There is a very simple counter to bumping. All it takes to counter a bumper is a single friend in a bumping ship. Seems quite balanced to me. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > > If a buff that was not specifically aimed at ganking, warrants a nerf of the activity that profited from the the buff as a sideeffect, in order to keep the balance intact, this should be applied to all activities. > > Did I say otherwise, the games designed has to keep a close eye on impacts and effects. Yes you did… here: > [@Dracvlad](#): > > > After all… any buff, intentional or not… justifies a nerf to keep the balance, right? > > It can do but not always. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Freighter gankers have a huge advantage against solo hisec haulers due to this mechanic WTF? You put this as if a single character could bump and suicide any freighter at will. A single character not bein on par with 7(ish) to 40 characters seems totally fine to me. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is about game balance, at this point a solo hauler in hisec has no counter against bumping. At this point a solo ganker has no chance to keep a target that requires it to be bumped and to kill it either, sounds balanced to me. And guess what, if people decide to play solo and fly these easy targets around without any help from other people, that is their decision. This whole, the solo player has no chance to defend himself is nothing but a smokescreen. But fine, give solo freighter pilots their cake, but then I demand balance for the solo ganker as well. Which means a nerf in EHP of freighters that the poor solo ganker can have his fun too. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/73 "2019-05-30T14:13:07Z")
The funny thing is that if they just followed the code then most miners would survive ganks…but over and over and over, greed wins and they open the door to be hit. I kinda hoped that they were just balancing risk/reward but really, it was just greed. The stream of miners will never end… ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/74 "2019-05-30T14:13:31Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > Use a higgs…go slow…make BMs…use two existing points and double back on yourself… > There are FOUR ways to not only be aligned but also moving and able to almost instawarp. > > …and yes, miners use the “oh please god not me” fit a lot… Using a skiff orbiting the roid is so much easier in areas with large ganker populations, better still is finding a more out of the way place and chilling there, which is what I have done. I have used the method you detailed in Stain, after the crying about gun mining got the refine rates nerfed. But I prefer using the Endurance and the Prospect for my non-hisec ninja mining needs. Because most of the time I just mine until someone notices me than I just get safe unload and move to a completely different system. Works every time. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/75 "2019-05-30T14:17:07Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > If you don’t get what I was doing then that’s your issue… What if ALL the suicide gankers who read your post finds it to be nonsense? 🧐 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/76 "2019-05-30T14:18:02Z")
Great! You are at least following the code in part by using a proper ship, being aware of where is and is not safe. Not only are you profiting but you are enjoying and actually playing the game. Now if you used that big brain of yours to take advantage of bumpers, then you would have a lot of fun and some great stories. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/77 "2019-05-30T14:20:00Z")
When you ask them all, let me know. I’ll wait here. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/78 "2019-05-30T14:21:22Z")
Do you really believe at any length that kind of cultist crap? Shooting miners brings no challenge, after few days of that i will be brain dead as a rock. This is my little project were i explore suicide ganking on something more challenging than seal cubs, despite the corp name 😋 > **[Seal Cubs Clubbing Club | Corporation](https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98600012/kills/)** > > Seal Cubs Clubbing Club: 69 ships destroyed and 159 ships lost. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/79 "2019-05-30T14:21:28Z")
> [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > There is a very simple counter to bumping. All it takes to counter a bumper is a single friend in a bumping ship. Seems quite balanced to me. Do it and tell me how easy it is. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > Yes you did… here: Not sure what you are trying to say? Balance is a moving feast. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > WTF? You put this as if a single character could bump and suicide any freighter at will. A single character not bein on par with 7(ish) to 40 characters seems totally fine to me. A single character can bump a single character, but as it is now the victim character has to have four accounts to be able to deal with the bumper. That is not good game balance, because in lowsec (thanks @knowledgeminer) I just need two accounts as there is no CONCORD protection for the aggressor. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > At this point a solo ganker has no chance to keep a target that requires it to be bumped and to kill it either, sounds balanced to me. So that is harassment then? If he is not intending to carry out an in game action like shooting him. Personally I would just log off in that case and laugh. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > And guess what, if people decide to play solo and fly these easy targets around without any help from other people, that is their decision. This whole, the solo player has no chance to defend himself is nothing but a smokescreen. I guess that can apply to noob ships based on your logic. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > But fine, give solo freighter pilots their cake, but then I demand balance for the solo ganker as well. Which means a nerf in EHP of freighters that the poor solo ganker can have his fun too. You make the classic mistake of missing out counter play at the base level. When I suggested that bumping be removed I also suggested that EHP could be reduced to balance it. But in terms of your logic perhaps you will insist that an interceptor can take out a Titan next. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/80 "2019-05-30T14:22:51Z")
> [@BIade\_Runner](#): > > Shooting miners brings no challenge, after few days of that i will be brain dead as a rock. The actual act of killing is pretty easy. The real value comes from the whining and crying they do in local. Especially when they threaten to sue you, bring in lawyers (to press charges in a spaceship game) and other silliness. It’s actually incredibly hilarious to gank miners in highsec since you never know how much salt you can harvest from them. Some are silent, but others are just a straight up gold mine of tears and whining. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/81 "2019-05-30T14:25:47Z")
> [@Scoots\_Choco](#): > > The real value comes from the whining and crying they do in local. Well, a specialist will most likely recommend you some alternative therapy for your sadistic tendencies. 😅 If i want real salt i just go on street and steal ice cream from toddlers 🤣🤣🤣 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987.md?page=5)