# Recent Patch Huge Buff for Suicide Gankers, THANKS CCP! \<3 **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 30, 2019, 5:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987 "2019-05-30T05:47:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/122 "2019-05-30T16:09:25Z")
> [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > CCP a long time ago increased the DPS of all destroyers. A buff that everyone who uses a destroyer benefits from. Yes but it massively benefitted gankers and there was no balancing action to increase mining barge and exhumer tank, which resulted in an explosion of ganking. > [@Darth\_Schweinebacke](#): > > “Hey CCP, destroyers are totally out of line, so lets nerf bumping”. Which I could never get on board with. You said that, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/123 "2019-05-30T16:20:31Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Not sure what you mean. I used low sec to help the OP there think in terms of no safety anywhere, because whatever would work to avoid being killed in low sec would work to avoid being killed in high sec too, only in high sec it’s MUCH easier because of CONCORD. This is incorrect. In Lowsec if I get tackled by a Battleship on a gate and prevented from warping I can bring in another ship and remove it by blowing it up without intervention from CONCORD. In hisec I am effectively tackled even if the game decides that it is not aggression so I cannot blow that ship up in hisec, whereas I can in lowsec. Someone bumping in lowsec will of course get the support of gate and station guns if they have not carried out weapons type aggression. It is truly odd that you cannot work out that CONCORD is protecting the bumper in hisec. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > LOL, what? Can you not understand a thing you read? What did I say that would have anything to do with protecting the bumper or whatever it is that you’re talking about? Your reading and comprehension is rather poor, I said that not you, I turned around what you said about lowsec and hisec when the OP was talking about mining in hisec and applied it the other way in terms of a bumper not being protected in lowsec. Simple really… > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > ROFLMAO. It is a standard tactic by a type of player in this game and one that shows a certain lack of ability to debate and discuss issues. You have done this a number of times in a couple of threads which is something that will get your posts flagged. I am sure that you will realise that you weaken your points if you resort to such fluff. ---
**Author:** ![BIade\_Runner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biade_runner/32/143170_2.png) [@BIade\_Runner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/BIade_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/124 "2019-05-30T16:38:37Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > LOL am I also a coward for fishing for trout when there are much larger, more dangerous fish I could be going after Now you see yourself as a fisherman? 🙄 To just go further with your metaphor, according to your playing skills, the involved risks and complexity of your job, you are the guy who is kicking some dead small fish lying on the beach 😅 ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/125 "2019-05-30T16:47:08Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > which resulted in an explosion of ganking. LOL man, Drac lives in such a drastically different reality from the rest of us. I was there before and after the buff to catalyst damage, and it made little difference to our operations. The guy makes everything out to be this hugely unfair conspiracy against him and his carbear vermin kind, like the wreck HP he couldn’t help but cry a little more about in this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/126 "2019-05-30T16:48:54Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > This is incorrect. In Lowsec if I get tackled by a Battleship on a gate and prevented from warping I can bring in another ship and remove it by blowing it up without intervention from CONCORD. In hisec I am effectively tackled even if the game decides that it is not aggression so I cannot blow that ship up in hisec, whereas I can in lowsec. Here we go. Dracvlad trying to turn this into yet another bumping thread… And pretending this has anything to do with anything I said elsewhere… And that it’s me, not him, whose “reading and comprehension is rather poor”… What does the fact that you may kill the bumper/tackler in low sec, but not in high sec without being CONCORDed, have to do with anything I said? What I said is that someone flying a freighter should consider which precaution measures he would take to fly through low sec, and then consider those same precaution measures to fly through high sec too, only though high sec it would be easier. Nobody hauling in a freighter would happily jump into low sec with it and then hope he’ll be able to kill whatever it is that’s waiting for him there, so the fact that you can do this in low sec but not in high sec has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is a standard tactic by a type of player in this game and one that shows a certain lack of ability to debate and discuss issues. You have done this a number of times in a couple of threads which is something that will get your posts flagged. ROFLMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/127 "2019-05-30T17:24:47Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Here we go. Dracvlad trying to turn this into yet another bumping thread… And pretending this has anything to do with anything I said elsewhere… And that it’s me, not him, whose “reading and comprehension is rather poor”… > > What does the fact that you may kill the bumper/tackler in low sec, but not in high sec without being CONCORDed, have to do with anything I said? > > What I said is that someone flying a freighter should consider which precaution measures he would take to fly through low sec, and then consider those same precaution measures to fly through high sec too, only though high sec it would be easier. Nobody hauling in a freighter would happily jump into low sec with it and then hope he’ll be able to kill whatever it is that’s waiting for him there, so the fact that you can do this in low sec but not in high sec has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said… [Here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/62) is the post by the CSM candidate and [here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/63) is your reply about lowsec Here I quote the important parts. > You need to think of suicide ganking in high sec the same way you think of (non-suicide) ganking in low sec, with the _only_ (big) difference that in high sec you just need to survive for a few secs until CONCORD arrives **and** knowing that there is a lot of ships the gankers _won’t_ be flying to kill you. > > Even if this was true, so what? There is even less you would be able to do in low sec, so why do you see this as if there was something about suicide ganking in high sec, but not about ganking in low sec, that needs “fixing”? > > **You need to deal with this in high sec exactly the same way you would in low sec, i.e. by minimising the risk of being caught in the first place. By the time you’ve got caught it’s too late already, but this is not a suicide ganking issue…** In terms of your comments about hisec and lowsec they are absolutely different, I mine in lowsec, I use different types of ships, the T2 mining frigates basically and I only mine when no one is in local. As soon as I feel someone has noticed me I pack up and do something else. In hisec I use a tanked Skiff and an Orca and in the Orca is a max yield Hulk. I switch between the Skiff and Hulk depending on who is in system, but I do not have the same approach in terms of threat in hisec and lowsec. What you said is nonsense because I am setting up with the Skiff to tank whatever they throw at me with RR from the Orca, whereas in lowsec I make sure that I am not caught. Because hisec is a safer place. So you absolutely treat hisec differently and your suggestion that you think of them in the same way is wrong. You even noted that CONCORD is there, and yet you think you act the same way. No you do not. So I have turned around what you said and applied it to bumpers, this is quite easy to understand. I can actually do more against a tackler in lowsec than I can do against a tackler in hisec. I cannot deal with the tackler in hisec as I can in lowsec, it is more difficult in hisec because the mechanic is not treated as tackle and thus the bumper is protected by CONCORD. Baby stuff basically… > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > ROFLMAO. It is a standard tactic by a type of player in this game and one that shows a certain lack of ability to debate and discuss issues. You have done this a number of times in a couple of threads which is something that will get your posts flagged. I am sure that you will realise that you weaken your points if you resort to such fluff. ---
**Author:** ![NotTheSmartestCookie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/notthesmartestcookie/32/168266_2.png) [@NotTheSmartestCookie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NotTheSmartestCookie)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/128 "2019-05-30T17:31:00Z")
Truth of the matter is that Draclvlad got ganked and is so butthurt about it that he is taking any action he can to attack ganking. Of course, being largely incompetent ingame and unwilling to put in any actual effort his only recourse is a long continuous whine on the EVE forum about it. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/129 "2019-05-30T17:57:24Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > In terms of your comments about hisec and lowsec they are absolutely different The “absolute” difference being that one has CONCORD and the other doesn’t. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I mine in lowsec, I use different types of ships, the T2 mining frigates basically and I only mine when no one is in local. As soon as I feel someone has noticed me I pack up and do something else. In hisec I use a tanked Skiff and an Orca and in the Orca is a max yield Hulk. Which is exactly what I’m saying. Only I said it in an “unimportant” part that you deemed unnecessary to read, much less quote, in that same post: > [@High Sec Candidate](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/high-sec-candidate/159244/63): > > What would you do if you were in low sec? Whatever that is, the same would work in high sec too… Except in high sec it’s easier and you have a lot of additional options you don’t have in low sec… Whatever you’d do to avoid getting caught in low sec you can do in high sec too, only in high sec it’s **easier** and have **more** options, and hence can do things you wouldn’t dare to do in low sec. **That. Is. Exactly. What. I. Am. Saying.** Got it now? Or not yet? > [@Dracvlad](#): > > What you said is nonsense because I am setting up with the Skiff to tank whatever they throw at me with RR from the Orca, whereas in lowsec I make sure that I am not caught. **That. Is. Exactly. The. Point.** Whatever you’d do in low sec you can do in high sec too, but then in high sec you can do things you wouldn’t dare to do in low sec… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > your suggestion that you think of them in the same way is wrong. You really cannot understand a thing you read, can you? Is there a way to _properly_ reply to inane posts like this without risking the reply being flagged for being “offensive”? 🤣 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > So I have turned around what you said and applied it to bumpers, this is quite easy to understand. 🙄 > [@Dracvlad](#): > > I can actually do more against a tackler in lowsec than I can do against a tackler in hisec. As stated, this statement is blatantly false. _Only_ if the “tackler” is actually a **bumper** does it become true. And this has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, so if you want to try to turn this into yet another bumping thread that’s up to you, but stop pretending you’re doing it because of anything I said… > [@Dracvlad](#): > > It is a standard tactic by a type of player in this game and one that shows a certain lack of ability to debate and discuss issues. You have done this a number of times in a couple of threads which is something that will get your posts flagged. I am sure that you will realise that you weaken your points if you resort to such fluff. ROFLMAO. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/130 "2019-05-30T18:28:22Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > In terms of your comments about hisec and lowsec they are absolutely different, I mine in lowsec, I use different types of ships, the T2 mining frigates basically and I only mine when no one is in local. As soon as I feel someone has noticed me I pack up and do something else. In hisec I use a tanked Skiff and an Orca and in the Orca is a max yield Hulk. I switch between the Skiff and Hulk depending on who is in system, but I do not have the same approach in terms of threat in hisec and lowsec. LOL. I multiboxed in lowsec and can say one thing - covetors all the way. It is th eonly way to mine, whether low sec or hisec (full yield here). If you fly them properly you are unlikely to be caught. And defo I won’t be waiting till local is clear before I start doing anything. ---
**Author:** ![Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lorelei_ierendi/32/190833_2.png) [@Lorelei\_Ierendi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lorelei_Ierendi)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/131 "2019-05-30T18:48:46Z")
> [@Galaxy\_Pig](#): > > I’ve just learned that the recent patch contained within it an absolutely huge buff to suicide ganking, that is, the ability to pull CONCORD from citadels using my new favorite button, the _Board My Corvette_ button. Have you noticed that the button spawns a corvette even if you have other ships in the hangar? In the old days (before the patch) you could not get a free corvette by docking up in the station when you had other ships (any other ships there). Now as long as you do not already have a corvette… a free one is spawned. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/132 "2019-05-30T19:15:52Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > The “absolute” difference being that one has CONCORD and the other doesn’t. We agree here and did from the start, however I use fast warping agile ships in lowsec, in hisec I use tanky ships. One does not warp out and get safe as soon as anyone comes into local in hisec, you just don’t. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > What would you do if you were in low sec? Whatever that is, the same would work in high sec too… Except in high sec it’s easier and you have a lot of additional options you don’t have in low sec… Let’s take a Endurance, if I was ice mining in hisec in that I would not warp out or cloak up every time someone came into local, because local is normally chock full of people when there is ice, it does not work. Hardly anyone mines the ice in lowsec, I can afford to take my time, not in hisec. It is totally different. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > **That. Is. Exactly. The. Point.** Whatever you’d do in low sec you can do in high sec too, but then in high sec you can do things you wouldn’t dare to do in low sec… No because what I do in lowsec would result in me not getting any ice at all. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > You really cannot understand a thing you read, can you? I think you are wrong, because you think that you just do the same in hisec what you do in lowsec and it is not the case. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > As stated, this statement is blatantly false. _Only_ if the “tackler” is actually a **bumper** does it become true. And this has absolutely nothing to do with anything I said, so if you want to try to turn this into yet another bumping thread that’s up to you, but stop pretending you’re doing it because of anything I said… You started to act like the same strategies you would use in lowsec would work in hisec when mining, I gave you an example and reasons here why this is not the case in terms of my own very successful maining activities in both environments, no losses by the way! As for bumping In lowsec very simply if he bumped me or points me or shoots me I can blow him up. If he shoots me or points me in hisec he gets blown up, if he bumps me I can’t do jack without getting blown to smithereens. So I have to have very specialised ganker characters to do this in hisec I can’t rely on the ships and what I could drop in lowsec. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > ROFLMAO. Well it seems you are getting the message. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > LOL. I multiboxed in lowsec and can say one thing - covetors all the way. It is th eonly way to mine, whether low sec or hisec (full yield here). If you fly them properly you are unlikely to be caught. And defo I won’t be waiting till local is clear before I start doing anything. That depends on a number of things. In nullsec in space we controlled with force I could mine in whatever I wanted and did. Some areas of lowsec have that level of control. But would you use coveters in hisec? In fact they are the worst ship to use in heavily ganked areas. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 7:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/133 "2019-05-30T19:51:36Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > That depends on a number of things. In nullsec in space we controlled with force I could mine in whatever I wanted and did. Some areas of lowsec have that level of control. But would you use coveters in hisec? In fact they are the worst ship to use in heavily ganked areas. meh, they are the best ship to use everywhere. I used them in hisec as well. Some agents tried to gank them… none succeeded… you see - higgs + spider webs do wonders. Watch local, watch dscan, check for any suspicious movements and appearances near the belt, and never mine at the beacon (sure, they can get cloaker to get warpin but that already requires proper scout and not going in blindly). Properly piloted covetor is hard to gank. Truth is that most mining vessels are not piloted at all. Put a bit of shields + shield links and suddenly two catas needed to gank it… or one t2. Either way they pay for themselves very fast - to the point where one can treat them almost like ammunition. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/134 "2019-05-30T20:19:59Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Let’s take a Endurance, if I was ice mining in hisec in that I would not warp out or cloak up every time someone came into local, because local is normally chock full of people when there is ice, it does not work. Hardly anyone mines the ice in lowsec, I can afford to take my time, not in hisec. LOL. I’ve watched many, many belts with miner gankers in system. Maybe I missed it, but not a single time have I seen an Endurance that wasn’t sitting still and/or AFK at risk of being ganked. Have you? Can you even understand why? It’s not that doing in high sec what you’d do in low sec isn’t practical. It’s that in high sec there would be no need to get away as soon as someone enters local to begin with. It’s that high sec is _safer_ and gives you _more options_, one of them being the ability to mine paying _less attention_, and _for that_ (or to get more yield) is what some other ship may be preferable. > [@Dracvlad](#): > > Well it seems you are getting the message. It seems you’re not. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/135 "2019-05-30T21:32:09Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > LOL. I’ve watched many, many belts with miner gankers in system. Maybe I missed it, but not a single time have I seen an Endurance that wasn’t sitting still and/or AFK at risk of being ganked. Have you? Can you even understand why? Well first of all I would not use an Endurance in hisec, as it is too easy to gank, it is not exactly difficult to understand that. Of course orbiting the roids with the AB on would be what I would do and I have tanked full battleships spawns in nullsec with it but their DPS is less than a single catalyst, but I just use Skiffs in hisec ice belts. An Endurance would be difficult for a catalyst if it orbiting with its AB full on. But I much prefer making the gankers have to full multi-boxing on my Skiff, with about 17 Catalysts. Hell I even orbit my Skiffs most of the time when in ice belts. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > It’s not that doing in high sec what you’d do in low sec isn’t practical. It’s that in high sec there would be no need to get away as soon as someone enters local to begin with. It’s that high sec is _safer_ and gives you _more options_ , one of them being the ability to mine paying _less attention_ , and _for that_ (or to get more yield) is what some other ship may be preferable. That is what I said, so the fast moving quick to warp Endurance is not needed. Which is why your comments about comparing ganking in hisec to lowsec were incorrect. Hell as far as I am concerned dropping BLOP’s on a ratter in nullsec is ganking, but I would never compare that to hisec ganking, it is very different. By the simple fact as you have quite rightly pointed out. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > The “absolute” difference being that one has CONCORD and the other doesn’t. Which is why I still think your comparison was wrong headed. Hisec is supposed to be safer, and I never understand why people who chose to operate there get so heated and upset about that extra layer of safety. Like normal me and you are just saying the same things with a different perspective to it which always makes me laugh. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > It seems you’re not. My point is that this comparison, just like your chance mechanic point was wrong headed. You think not so there we are, impasse, different opinions, it is what it is. > [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](#): > > meh, they are the best ship to use everywhere. I used them in hisec as well. Some agents tried to gank them… none succeeded… you see - higgs + spider webs do wonders. Watch local, watch dscan, check for any suspicious movements and appearances near the belt, and never mine at the beacon (sure, they can get cloaker to get warpin but that already requires proper scout and not going in blindly). Properly piloted covetor is hard to gank. Truth is that most mining vessels are not piloted at all. Put a bit of shields + shield links and suddenly two catas needed to gank it… or one t2. Either way they pay for themselves very fast - **to the point where one can treat them almost like ammunition.** OK maybe heavily ganked and busy hisec systems would be an issue, would you use them in that Ice Belt near Uedama for example? I know people who use them as ammunition like you said and the extra yield and the fact that they operate in out of the way areas where gankers do not often go makes them very efficient. I once explained that in the AG channel to someone. ---
**Author:** ![darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/darkestkhan_eriker/32/390091_2.png) [@darkestkhan\_Eriker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/darkestkhan_Eriker)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 9:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/136 "2019-05-30T21:54:00Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > OK maybe heavily ganked and busy hisec systems would be an issue, would you use them in that Ice Belt near Uedama for example? I know people who use them as ammunition like you said and the extra yield and the fact that they operate in out of the way areas where gankers do not often go makes them very efficient. I once explained that in the AG channel to someone. How about Hek and Nakugard? or Lamadent / Thelan / Rancer? (clone soldiers do like to spawn the moment porpoise leaves belt). Truth is that if you don’t bling them out they do pay for themselves uner 15 minutes, especially when mining ice. And I wouldn’t fear using them in Ueadama itself. All the tricks used for mining in ls apply to hs as well. And there is quite a few of them. If gankers come too often and have warp out too frequently then sure, I will switch to yield procs first and if I notice larger numbers of them scouring the belts then max tank procs. Not like I can afk in boosted yield fitted covs… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2019, 11:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/137 "2019-05-30T23:36:45Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > Of course orbiting the roids with the AB on would be what I would do I wonder if Drac blocked me? I would like to say that the MOST fun I’ve ever had in EVE, in wormholes, nullsec, lowsec, highsec, ganking 15 billion isk freighters or lowly 10k isk pods… the most fun has been ganking Ventures orbiting an asteroid at high velocity. I actually enjoy that. Everytime I find a Vent orbiter, I’m like “Ok, let’s play this game…” If there are two Vents, one is orbiting and one is not, I’m going for the one that’s moving around like a cat toy. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/138 "2019-05-31T00:02:14Z")
Rather out of character for players of your type to keep quiet about it though. In the usual order of things, you’d just exploit the hell out of it, and then wait for some victims to complain, the forum-brigade and insult them for demanding a nerf. Either you are getting old or you got the real Galaxy Pig tied up and gagged somewhere. Did you lure him into a trap with avocado toast? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/139 "2019-05-31T00:27:28Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Either you are getting old or you got the real Galaxy Pig tied up and gagged somewhere. Did you lure him into a trap with avocado toast? More likely, just a thread to bait out tears because the change has nothing to do with gankers at all. It’s a general change to the game and there is no way to exploit it. It’s just a useable mechanic. But it seems to have met it’s purpose since there’s already the usual descent into stupidity going on. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 12:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/140 "2019-05-31T00:51:22Z")
> [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](#): > > Rather out of character for players of your type to keep quiet about it though. In the usual order of things, you’d just exploit the hell out of it, and then wait for some victims to complain, the forum-brigade and insult them for demanding a nerf. Read this again to yourself and tell me if you find a problem with the coherence. ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2019, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/recent-patch-huge-buff-for-suicide-gankers-thanks-ccp-3/162987/141 "2019-05-31T01:34:16Z")
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