# Redesign the Player Features & Ideas so that player can present their ideas and other players can use vote buttons **URL:** \ **Category:** Forum Feedback & Requests\ **Created:** [June 1, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501 "2021-06-01T22:38:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/62 "2021-06-06T14:16:36Z")
You coming after me for no other reason but the fact that I think your idea is fundamentally flawed, which I’ve stated in polite but no uncertain terms, is the real joke. If you think I am breaking any official forum rules you can report me (and my 12? alts that you connected with dots) to CCP or the ISD’s and let them sort it out. Bullying, as you seem to attempt here, may not be as enjoyable in the long run. Just so you know, bullying is definitely against the forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/63 "2021-06-06T14:20:03Z")
> [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > To be honest I don’t know how good or bad the The little things thread is, but posting there feels the same way as asking God for the lottery numbers. As i said that is stuff that karkur or other devs do on their free time outside of what ccp allows. if its legit reason to be a qol change, they’ll do it… i’ve seen several things get added to the game thanks to the qol topic. its funny how you thought i was goons… not everybody who agrees/disagrees with you is from goons… ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/64 "2021-06-06T14:26:26Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > its funny how you thought i was goons… not everybody who agrees/disagrees with you is from goons… I didn’t mean eve goons =) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/1/d/01d81874dc105e2eed5c90d37119e05414908fa9.png) I meant ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/6/9/569493109740ba28261e5f750a5f7e2464e396c7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/65 "2021-06-06T14:36:07Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > You coming after me for no other reason but the fact that I think your idea is fundamentally flawed, which I’ve stated in polite but no uncertain terms, is the real joke. If you think I am breaking any official forum rules you can report me (and my 12? alts that you connected with dots) to CCP or the ISD’s and let them sort it out. Bullying, as you seem to attempt here, may not be as enjoyable in the long run. Just so you know, bullying is definitely against the forum rules. Please stop playing some kind of victim nobody is going to feel sorry for a suicide ganker. I don’t think you are braking any forum rules and that’s why I suggested in the Little things thread that CCP should Block players from posting in the same thread on the forum with different chars from the same client/computer. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/66 "2021-06-06T14:36:55Z")
nobody to my knowledge is posting from the same computer… and as i said, thats not the thread for that. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2021, 3:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/67 "2021-06-06T15:03:13Z")
> [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > nobody is going to feel sorry for a suicide ganker. Some people here have explained to you how to use the forum threads correctly. Please don’t ask us now how to use the killboards too. I am a suicide ganker ? Nope, I’m far worse than that 🤣, loathed by more pilots even. My absolute top form of engagement is cloaky ships, preferably with bombs, obliterating entire groups and shoveling salt by the kilos, and definitely trying to avoid suicide attacks. Yes, I’m one of those, but currently very docile while making a few isk instead of spending it. That’s nothing new, if you know a little bit about my posting history. But suicide ganking ? Never done it, never killed anyone without kill rights in hisec or without being attacked first (by suicide gankers notably, but that’s already a year ago). Keep trying. ---
**Author:** ![Hug\_Motsu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/hug_motsu/32/264439_2.png) [@Hug\_Motsu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Hug_Motsu)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 12:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/68 "2021-06-07T12:36:45Z")
> [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > Well we are not recreating reddit, we are “borrowing” the voting system and the new and top tab. > We don’t think we need to debate whether reddit is a good or bad. I just know they have a working system. Redit does have a working system. I’m not debating that. I’m saying that redit working system is an ‘influencer platform’. **Redit is not a forum.** a forum is a place where all are heard, not _just_ the opinions that everyone agrees with. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/69 "2021-06-07T13:05:21Z")
What is with the ‘if more than one poster argues against me, they must be alts’ thing? Are you so sure that your post is perfection that you cannot imagine multiple unique people disliking your idea? That’s some next-level narcissism right there. And no, you have so totally _not_ answered the questions people have raised. Like this one: _Why would CCP ever want to implement this?_ ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/70 "2021-06-07T13:10:56Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Some people here have explained to you how to use the forum threads correctly. What don’t you like, if its reasonable I will change it. > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Please don’t ask us now how to use the killboards too. I am a suicide ganker ? Nope > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > But suicide ganking ? Never done it, never killed anyone without kill rights in hisec or without being attacked first (by suicide gankers notably, but that’s already a year ago). Keep trying. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/8/d/9/8d93f076f1b3790bea85a45b666b140a2b737970.jpeg) > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > I’m far worse than that 🤣, loathed by more pilots even. My absolute top form of engagement is cloaky ships, preferably with bombs, obliterating entire groups and shoveling salt by the kilos ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/3/a/e3a75ab561181186cf022f206d7a374e2b505f37.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/71 "2021-06-07T13:19:09Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > What is with the ‘if more than one poster argues against me, they must be alts’ thing? Would you like me to bring 30 alts to this thread and hart every one of my answers? > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Are you so sure that your post is perfection that you cannot imagine multiple unique people disliking your idea? Its a core idea that you build on that’s why I left if very open ended with the ability’s to take many different roads. > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > That’s some next-level narcissism right there. was this the best comback you could come with? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/6/e/76e1152e085d3c04309283a6a38cbf775b447b28.jpeg) > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > And no, you have so totally _not_ answered the questions people have raised. Like this one: > _Why would CCP ever want to implement this?_ CCP is running a business, if they don’t listen to their paying customers they wont have any customers. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/72 "2021-06-07T13:25:38Z")
> [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > CCP is running a business, if they don’t listen to their paying customers they wont have any customers. That doesn’t answer the question, though. All you have done is say why CCP should _read_ their designated feedback spaces. Why should CCP _force themselves to answer to players on the forum_? You aren’t asking CCP to add a feature to the forums. You are asking CCP to pledge to answer players here if their request or question reaches some CCP defined threshold. That doesn’t require a forum change (because they can already get those metrics from the Discourse platform using the Likes given to a post), but does require a policy change at CCP. Given CCP’s track record of ignoring the forums in favor of engaging on Reddit, _what makes you think CCP would ever do this?_ Edit: By the way, you can move your own thread by editing the category in the original post - [Forum Feedbacks and Requests](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/technology-research/feedback/87) would be the category for forum changes that folks referred to earlier. Edit 2, because posting on mobile is a pain: > [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > > > Are you so sure that your post is perfection that you cannot imagine multiple unique people disliking your idea? > > Its a core idea that you build on that’s why I left if very open ended with the ability’s to take many different roads. What does your reply have to do with my question? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/73 "2021-06-07T13:26:50Z")
> [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > CCP is running a business, if they don’t listen to their paying customers they wont have any customers. They are a video game development company. They will have visions and scenarios that don’t comply with what customers want. That’s going to happen. There are plenty of reasons for devs to not listen to customers as well. The stupid consumers are not always right. ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/74 "2021-06-07T13:37:06Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > They are a video game development company. They will have visions and scenarios that don’t comply with what customers want. That’s going to happen. > > There are plenty of reasons for devs to not listen to customers as well. The stupid consumers are not always right. sure no problem, CCP can just lie. “We can’t do this legacy code” But all idea brought up by players and voted by players can’t be bad. CCP should not be able to ignore the player base. You have to be able to compromise. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/75 "2021-06-07T13:40:15Z")
They can ignore us, or they can implement ideas we have even without acknowledging the player base Nothing says they are required to speak with us. ■■■■ dude, when I was a kid I dreamed of telling the ppl that made the Sega games and such what I thought about the games. Now ppl can if the devs choose to interact they can. But they are under no obligation to. ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 1:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/76 "2021-06-07T13:48:41Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Given CCP’s track record of ignoring the forums in favor of engaging on Reddit, _what makes you think CCP would ever do this?_ I guess thanks for pointing out that CCP already prefers a reddit style forum over their own? > [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > > > > Are you so sure that your post is perfection that you cannot imagine multiple unique people disliking your idea? > > > [/quote] > > > > > > Its a core idea that you build on that’s why I left if very open ended with the ability’s to take many different roads. > > What does your reply have to do with my question? Perfection: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/c/1/4c138994671fc7b7ab47a544d93c8f8d01f67135.jpeg) Core idea: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/8/b/38b478c082d182e360cf26dc8e604cb67a10b7c8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/77 "2021-06-07T14:01:44Z")
@ISD_Golem can you please move this to forum feedback and requests? ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/78 "2021-06-07T14:08:25Z")
… So, instead of answering the actual question in that post, you rabbited on ‘perfection’. Yeah, because that is debating in good faith. > [@aMa\_Eros](#): > > > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > > > Given CCP’s track record of ignoring the forums in favor of engaging on Reddit, _what makes you think CCP would ever do this?_ > > I guess thanks for pointing out that CCP already prefers a reddit style forum over their own? CCP doesn’t prefer a ‘Reddit style forum’. They prefer Reddit. Players have been asking CCP to talk to us on their own forum for _literal years_. It has not happened. In that context: why would CCP change their policies now and bind themselves to _have to_ answer people on the forums? The answer is **they won’t**. So can you stop harping on about this idea already? It will never happen because CCP doesn’t want to talk to players here. ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/79 "2021-06-07T14:14:01Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > They can ignore us, or they can implement ideas we have even without acknowledging the player base > > Nothing says they are required to speak with us. > > ■■■■ dude, when I was a kid I dreamed of telling the ppl that made the Sega games and such what I thought about the games. > > Now ppl can if the devs choose to interact they can. But they are under no obligation to. Devs are not the people who run the company. Dev have bosses who they answer to. Every company does marketing, research, customer satisfaction bla bla bla. If EVE community brings up like 15 ideas of the span of 1 year were a lot of eve players agree that its a good idea, they that should be taken into consideration when picking from new ideas to implement. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > Nothing says they are required to speak with us. > [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > But they are under no obligation to. They are regular human beings not GOD’s ---
**Author:** ![aMa\_Eros](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ama_eros/32/286354_2.png) [@aMa\_Eros](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/aMa_Eros)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/80 "2021-06-07T14:25:53Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Players have been asking CCP to talk to us on their own forum for _literal years_. It has not happened. In that context: why would CCP change their policies now and bind themselves to _have to_ answer people on the forums? The answer is **they won’t**. So can you stop harping on about this idea already? It will never happen because CCP doesn’t want to talk to players here. If this would be true, then whoever works att CCP who thinks that they don’t have to interact with the customer should be fired right away. In every other line of business where you would refuse to speak with a customer you would get fired on the spot and Developers are not some magical unicorn that are exempt from having to speak. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2021, 2:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501/81 "2021-06-07T14:36:18Z")
Not every business operates the same way. CCP clearly is a successful business, so your assertion that the only way they can be successful is to engage with their customers _in the fashion that you desire_ is patently false. Look, I get it - we all would love to see CCP actually engage on their own forums. But they prefer Reddit, and nothing we do is going to change that. We don’t have that power. There are plenty of EVE customers who hate the forums and prefer Reddit, so they successfully engage with CCP there. Your idea is not lacking merit - again, we all wish CCP actually _would_ engage with us. It’s simply unrealistic when held up to two realities: 1. people (especially when made anonymous on the internet) will abuse anything (re: popularity mechanic) 2. CCP is not motivated to make this change (and are in fact specifically _disincentivized_ to do so). [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redesign-the-player-features-ideas-so-that-player-can-present-their-ideas-and-other-players-can-use-vote-buttons/314501.md?page=5)