# Redus Taw for CSM 19 **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [September 28, 2024, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690 "2024-09-28T00:30:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/21 "2024-10-06T15:55:58Z")
There’s ways in any game that separate new players from experienced players. Eve has Mechanics, Skill Training, and Game Knowledge. These make sense and are a part of the game. Running multiple characters though is enabled partially by the eve client and partially by third parties. It’s not naturally a part of the game. I don’t care for this third party feature further separating the new players from the experienced players. We have to tell new people… okay learn how to fly, take time to train up your skills, gain general knowledge of the game, and also download some third party app and multibox. It’s out of place. Everyone should be controlling a fleet or one character at a time. What are concerned about? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/22 "2024-10-06T16:10:07Z")
You do realize you can multibox without 3rd party right? I dont have any 3rd party apps and i can run 2 clients at the same time. Alts/multiboxing has been a core concept in eve as long as i can remember ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/23 "2024-10-06T16:21:35Z")
Yes. The third party apps are popular though. What reasons do you have for keeping multiple accounts? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/24 "2024-10-06T17:18:06Z")
Salvager behind my runner. I also use an alt to scout ahead. Most of all my other alts are SOE arc alphas to share the standings ---
**Author:** ![Lasisha\_Mishi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lasisha_mishi/32/435004_2.png) [@Lasisha\_Mishi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lasisha_Mishi)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 5:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/25 "2024-10-07T17:36:58Z")
1. ok i agree fk the negative side effects 7 dude u need to join Rodney’s fleet and see why we use drag bubbles. look for his naga fleets. its a legit tool of pvp. 8 fair, it could warn you theres no highsec route. 9 Solo cap…with reasonable saftey. so that can be done…in carriers… basically find lonely isolated system, set up a POS (NOT A CITADEL. the aggression timer will fk you with a citadel). and be always aligned. the moment u see someone in system jump. then call fighters to you. This also works in WHs and is reasonably safe. (minus lack of local) this sadly doesnt work with dreads as siege mode means your on the highway to hell till its done. and crabbing beacons…are like having a lit cyno. no saftey unless u got friends. ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 11:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/26 "2024-10-07T23:17:25Z")
Right so getting rid of alts isn’t supposed to be a delete and we’re done. I/we would need to look at any/all reasons to have alts and then make changes so you can do the same thing with a single character. So you wouldn’t need a salvager or a scout (ability to scan adjacent systems), I don’t get the SoE thing, but there’s plenty of reasons that have to be looked into. Scouting ahead in incursion areas is crucial and what about cynos? So, it would be an overhaul to move scouting abilities into single characters in some way. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2024, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/27 "2024-10-07T23:46:50Z")
It doesn’t need to be looked into. Period. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Loine\_Vonsteak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sir_loine_vonsteak/32/436933_2.png) [@Sir\_Loine\_Vonsteak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sir_Loine_Vonsteak)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/28 "2024-10-14T21:39:20Z")
I will scout your way to wherever you want in your capital (or super, even better), that took you at least a few years to get, and make sure you stay safe from point A to point B. No one will ever know the route, or where we are going. Trust me. We are space friends. ---
**Author:** ![yogizh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yogizh/32/435485_2.png) [@yogizh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/yogizh)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 9:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/29 "2024-10-14T21:50:59Z")
I can’t tell if this is real or a troll. ---
**Author:** ![Mike\_Azariah](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mike_azariah/32/512626_2.png) [@Mike\_Azariah](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mike_Azariah)\ **Post date:** [October 14, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/30 "2024-10-14T22:10:35Z")
Poe’s law? m ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/31 "2024-10-15T22:59:44Z")
What questions do you have about my campaign? ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2024, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/32 "2024-10-15T23:00:03Z")
? What do you mean? ---
**Author:** ![Flavious\_Run](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/flavious_run/32/437335_2.png) [@Flavious\_Run](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Flavious_Run)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/33 "2024-10-18T00:38:40Z")
I’m going to assume that this isn’t a troll. Your suggestions are awful, bordering on parody. Some, like removing multiple accounts and alts, are not feasible given the number of people who have invested in something as simple as a hauling or cyno character. Other suggestions, like your opinion on bubbles, aren’t really a problem and are easy to navigate around, but clearly, they had a negative impact on you, so you’re calling for them to be nerfed. This post was your time to show the changes you want for Eve so it will not “fade not due to being a bad game, but due to not adapting correctly” as you stated. Instead you nitpicked minor things that bother you like a Exile not giving capacitor buff (Mindflood exists btw). To be frank, none of what you offered here will give this game any longevity. ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/34 "2024-10-18T03:20:36Z")
> [@Redus\_Taw](#): > > - Get rid of players’ ability to have multiple accounts. > - Get rid of alt characters. How do you plan on reimbursing everyone’s accounts that aren’t considered their main? Players have an expectation that as long as the servers are going, that they can play on any of their accounts. If CCP were to adopt this, players would want their accounts to be reimbursed and time refunded. If the issue is as widespread as you many think it is, it would bankrupt CCP. How do you propose CCP handles this? ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/35 "2024-10-19T13:54:34Z")
I’m skeptical that CCP is even interested in getting rid of the multiple characters feature so I haven’t thought through this issue thoroughly. If they did want to do it, it’s possible there is a reimbursement. It’s also possible there isn’t one though so keep that in mind. If a reimbursement were to happen I imagine it would be in the form of PLEX. ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/36 "2024-10-19T13:55:19Z")
> [@Redus Taw for CSM 19](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/19): > > Though I have mentioned many small changes, the main idea I want to carry into CSM is thinking about longevity. I would defer to CCP for player base age and number of unique logins (ip address?). This is multi-faceted. It’s a bit of these small things I’ve mentioned: Get rid of multiple accounts, introduce PvE bounty hunting, introduce in-game comms, but mainly we need to take a step back and look at not only what MMO players enjoy, but what non-MMO gamers dislike about MMO’s. An example… ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 19, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/37 "2024-10-19T16:06:44Z")
If you haven’t thought the issue through, why is it part of your campaign? If you truly want to make EVE better, why haven’t you thought through your own campaign points? How does this help longevity? ---
**Author:** ![Redus\_Taw](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/redus_taw/32/434859_2.png) [@Redus\_Taw](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Redus_Taw)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/38 "2024-10-20T16:29:00Z")
Well I first have to see what CCP is interested in fixing or working on. If They’re not interested in something then there is no point in deep diving into the details yet. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/39 "2024-10-20T17:11:08Z")
Aka i dont know what im talking about ---
**Author:** ![Malak\_Starfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/malak_starfire/32/501915_2.png) [@Malak\_Starfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Malak_Starfire)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2024, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690/40 "2024-10-20T17:18:01Z")
You peak CCPs interest by presenting a fully fleshed out idea with associated cost/benefit analysis. If you include something in your campaign platform, expect to defend it from players who are critical. Saying oh I haven’t actually done anything with it is a huge red flag, especially with something that is such a game changer as getting rid of alts. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/redus-taw-for-csm-19/462690.md?page=3)