# Remember the "dedicated balance team" ccp promised last summer? CSM member reveals ccp \*\*\*canned it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522 "2018-01-26T16:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/205 "2018-01-28T12:10:16Z")
Well, if we estimate EVE’s customer base at 350,000, 30% of that would be 105,000 customers, if we split them evenly in 3 TZs that’s 31,000 customers per TZ, each one of them could log in on average 2.3 characters, that’s a potential of up to 71,300 characters logged in at NS any time of day. How much was that? 6,000 characters logged in? Doesn’t lookgs that big not even compared to the actual size of NS. (And actually, 6,000 is a mere 20% of the average PCU) ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/206 "2018-01-28T12:14:37Z")
There was a lot of people in the nabouring systems defending and dying to those brutal gate camps. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/207 "2018-01-28T12:15:04Z")
I had assumed youd just go with “they were mostly alts”. Id like to see activity data for what was going on in NS while the battle was going on. If you are right, then there should be no or very little activity as everyone is at the party. Should a section of the game be closed because less than 30% of the player base use it? Well economically I suppose you could say yes. But we’ve been over this already and Im sure you know better what you are talking about than I do. I was just curious because to me 6000 seemed an awful large number to want to ignore. ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/208 "2018-01-28T12:18:02Z")
on that not everyone that just flies t1 ships should abuse the alpha clone than? imagine all of goon swarm 34k people going alpha, using what would be titans and super funds to fund legions of machs and others in a mass of chaos. ccp probably did like the community devs, ccp execs know better so they killed off the team to control it. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/209 "2018-01-28T12:25:53Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > Well, if we estimate EVE’s customer base at 350,000, 30% of that would be 105,000 customers, if we split them evenly in 3 TZs that’s 31,000 customers per TZ, each one of them could log in on average 2.3 characters, that’s a potential of up to 71,300 characters logged in at NS any time of day. Given that we have never logged in more that…what 55,000 at the peak this is likely dubious. And given that CCP can see who is logging where…exactly vs. your back-of-the-envelope numbers maybe CCP is…IDK…doing the right thing? Your argument amounts to CCP knowingly shooting itself in the foot…again and again and again. Maybe they are, but your evidence is kind of…well…sparse. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/210 "2018-01-28T12:34:21Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > CCP knowingly shooting itself in the foot…again and again and again. Next GD thread title? ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/211 "2018-01-28T12:35:57Z")
Indeed…they do seem particularly skilled at that. LOL ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/212 "2018-01-28T12:57:40Z")
Stop the bullsh¡t, Ramona is a troll. I didn’t said that nobody does NS, I said that only 30% of customers do NS and so most of highsec players are not NS alts. Actually, there’s a 8% of PvPrs who occasionally do NS, so it’s like 38% of players do NS, and 62% never do it. So if those 62% don’t go to NS, nor to WH, nor LS, guess where they are? Mostly HS. Edit: here’s the graphs provided by CCP in Fanfest 2015. Notice how “Professionals” are the only archetype largely engaging in NS travel whereas NS travel is residual for all other groups but “Aggressors”. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/0/c08a2bcdfc6f4fecf0398268f2c75d3dd1a63a20.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/213 "2018-01-28T13:10:10Z")
There were different people, all of them had obligations towards the alliances, and the size of alliances counts. This was one of those “I was there” moments, so hype was real, a peak performance from those people, but rare. Meanwhile a lot more people were doing their own stuff everywhere else every day. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/214 "2018-01-28T13:19:10Z")
The troll is the person who says that 30% of customer base is irrelevant. Thats you. I tried to be reasonable with you, and I even apologised for picking up what you said before wrong, but apparently normal conversation is beyond you. ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/215 "2018-01-28T13:21:25Z")
That’s a cool graph, but it is obviously wrong. It shows “pvp” as only the red section at the bottom. Everyone knows that everything in EvE is PvP, mining, trading, etc. It’s even been argued on many other threads that someone is just stupid if they try to use the term “PvP” to only mean the stuff shown in red. Since CCP can’t be that confused about what is and isn’t PvP in the game they develop, there must be an error in the graphic. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/216 "2018-01-28T13:21:34Z")
Dont have the time to read through all the responses, what’s the story here? ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/217 "2018-01-28T13:24:13Z")
Stop trolling, Ramona. You’re saying things I haven’t said. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/218 "2018-01-28T13:25:29Z")
Im not. Just because we disagree doesnt make me a troll. Your insistance on name calling however… Seems the classy thing to do wouldve been to accept my apology and move on. > [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > You’re saying things I haven’t said. Where have I misquoted you? Seems this got started when you editted my reply to someone else because you disagreed with it. ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/219 "2018-01-28T13:28:25Z")
@Ramona_McCandless @Yiole_Gionglao [https://i.imgur.com/QXIXZ5o.gif(image larger than 3072KB)](https://i.imgur.com/QXIXZ5o.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/220 "2018-01-28T13:34:33Z")
Issues are with null, with high, and I am under impression that old playerbase have seen everything already everywhere in PvP and PvE, and think that CCP could do better, because others could. But CCP just cant design anything better and this news will only enforce that. CCP is CCP and you cant change that, no matter how much devs will come and go, there are still people who are untouchable, remember what CCP Leeloo wrote? It was truth. :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Anjyl\_Took](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anjyl_took/32/31967_2.png) [@Anjyl\_Took](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anjyl_Took)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/221 "2018-01-28T13:36:30Z")
I actually LOLed. +1 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Jorad\_Todako](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jorad_todako/32/195448_2.png) [@Jorad\_Todako](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jorad_Todako)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/222 "2018-01-28T13:39:01Z")
@Nana_Skalski Ive been with Eve since 2005, and there are still things in that game I haven’t dug into yet. Just that, goes to show. Eve is deep enough as is, what changes it is the perspective players have and maintain of it throughout their experience and years, and how that affects their gameplay choices and longterm enjoyment of the game. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 1:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/223 "2018-01-28T13:45:48Z")
> [@Jorad\_Todako](#): > > there are still things in that game I haven’t dug into yet. Me too, but I know how they look, because I wanted and read about them, have seen them in streams. Some things are just not for me and it looks like it will not change much. Just how CCP Leelooo said with a bit accusational tone to “powers that be” inside CCP. > it’s easy to turn to a blank page but it’s very hard to change how your handwriting looks ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 2:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/225 "2018-01-28T14:01:48Z")
Its actually like that because state wants everyone to work, while maternity is a work in itself and actually it counts toward state wellbeeing, so they should just get state money for that time, without being employeed and someone else could work in company for that time. The maternity time should still count as working but as a social work category. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=12)