# Remember the "dedicated balance team" ccp promised last summer? CSM member reveals ccp \*\*\*canned it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522 "2018-01-26T16:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/266 "2018-01-28T20:14:49Z")
Just curious, where does that graph say “Null Sec”? I see that they have categories such as professional, entrepreneur, etc. but I don’t see how it relates to NS. Is there a youtube video that goes with that? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/267 "2018-01-28T20:17:46Z")
I know, You dont even know how to search google for that thing. 🤭 > **[Players and Accounts Courtesy of CCP Quant](http://targetcaller.blogspot.com/2015/09/players-and-accounts-courtesy-of-ccp.html)** > > A newbie-friendly Eve Online fansite blog about PvP, rebalances, politics, theory, & ship fitting in null-sec, low-sec, and wormhole space. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/268 "2018-01-28T20:44:27Z")
Hrmm. And here I was thinking that you had to have multiple accounts to have multiple characters! Great job on figurng out that CCP removed all those old trial accounts of people who played for a couple weeks then quit. I mean, if they didnt I might not be a minority! #minoritiesRbest! #35%er ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/269 "2018-01-28T20:50:12Z")
You dummy, alts are alts if they are spread on different accounts or one. Good luck with talking to CCP and hashtags, maybe you will get more recognition than those who said they dont want the chat bubble. 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/270 "2018-01-28T20:57:10Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > You dummy, alts are alts if they are spread on different accounts or one. > > Good luck with talking to CCP and hashtags, maybe you will get more recognition than those who said they dont want the chat bubble. 😏 But…But… you said I was a minority because I had alts. You posted stuff about accounts not alts. If alts are not equivalent to accounts then how did you noodle out that most people had a single character? You must be a WIZARD! Oh, this thread hasnt been a serious thread talking to CCP about balance since it became about PVE (if it ever was a srs thread) 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/271 "2018-01-28T21:03:48Z")
You have so many alts that you have to get accounts, see, I am wizard. 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/272 "2018-01-28T21:09:31Z")
LOL nice editing on your posts. Too bad I already quoted you before you snuck it in. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/273 "2018-01-28T21:10:14Z")
Don’t waste your time corresponding with him. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/274 "2018-01-28T21:14:59Z")
I meant it, why else I would include accounts? 🤔 Ok, I am not a wizard, only a Devilotte. ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/275 "2018-01-28T21:19:17Z")
> [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > I meant it, why else I would include accounts? 🤔 > > Ok, I am not a wizard, only a Devilotte. ~~For the same reason you make batshit crazy inferences from fanfest infographics?~~ Because you are so awesome at statistical inference and deduction? 🤷‍♀️ ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/276 "2018-01-28T21:22:08Z")
You see things that are not there, maybe you need glasses? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/277 "2018-01-28T22:24:14Z")
Sure, that’s fine for _that specific information_ ‘where did people live 6 or 7 years ago?’ That doesn’t mean ‘we see what they see’. We don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/278 "2018-01-28T22:33:52Z")
I wouldnt be surprised if they would stop posting any graphs. Why even care about people who cant see any value in that? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/279 "2018-01-28T22:39:31Z")
Well, that’s a nice little job of trying to put words in my mouth, isn’t it? Graphs show what they show. They do not show all of the data. They show the data in a filtered state. Attempting to claim they show you anything _but_ that filter, _at that point in time_ automatically introduces errors into your assumption. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/280 "2018-01-28T22:41:36Z")
So where do you see value? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/281 "2018-01-28T22:54:58Z")
There are those who believe CCP is trying to force people into Null and there are some who say CCP is trying to force people into High Sec Mining. And there are those who say that life here… began out there… with tribes of humans… and some say there are still brothers of man fighting for survival amongst the stars in quest to find a shining planet… called Earth. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/282 "2018-01-28T23:09:17Z")
I see value in accepting that the data they’re presenting is accurate and means the things they’re saying it means _at the time it is presented_. You can’t make assumptions past that, though. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/283 "2018-01-28T23:24:29Z")
People know that you rat in null if you want to get ISK in heaps, just like ore. Monthly reports show it well. I dont think CCP have to force anyone. Look at that player who botted with his carriers. There is no better advertisement for null than those recent reports and what people see in game. Then its 6000 people in one system, so CCP can use that for promotional video, no mention of the ugly stuff of course. And that is how nullseccers are played by CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/284 "2018-01-29T00:00:53Z")
None of which addresses the fact that you just tried to use a 6 year old chart to establish current player proportions. You know: [https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/5VuLoIZNiEwbPZA7QTHnMH7V78N.jpg](https://forums.eveonline.com/uploads/short-url/5VuLoIZNiEwbPZA7QTHnMH7V78N.jpg) That one. At the time represented (Q1 2012) the largest alliance in the game (the largest kind of player group directly supported by mechanics), TEST, had roughly 12,000 characters. Peak Concurrent Users in the time covered by the graph exceeded 60,000 at least once, and 50,000 wasn’t uncommon. Today, the largest alliance in the game has just over 36,000 characters—3x the size TEST was then. The highest PCU count we’ve seen in the last 2 months comes in at 39,000 - 2/3 of the high-water mark for the period covered in the chart. Fewer people online, the groups in null are bigger. Does that mean that more people have moved out to null? No. It doesn’t. It means the groups are bigger, and fewer people are online at any given moment. You know what comparison you can draw between the two sets of data on their own? **NONE.** That’s the point. Looking at old charts and saying ‘this tells us _anything_ about now’ is simply wrong. It doesn’t. It tells us what conditions _were_, but conditions change. We can no more make the assumption that the population distribution has remained static than we can make the assumption that it has radically changed. **THAT** is my point when I say > [@Arrendis](#): > > You can’t make assumptions past [that the data on the chart was accurate for its time], though Then you accused me not seeing any value in their charts. That’s pretty cheap, and it’s not what was said. I’m being generous here, and deciding to believe that you simply misunderstood my point, rather than think you chose to intentionally lie and misrepresent my position. However, you apparently continue to not understand, because your response has _absolutely nothing to do with the value of data in their charts or the use of their charts to make inferences about information the charts do not, and **could** not, express_. So I have clarified yet again. By the way? > [@Nana\_Skalski](#): > > People know that you rat in null if you want to get ISK in heaps, just like ore. Ratting in null doesn’t make you ‘heaps’ of ISK unless you’re multiboxing capital ratters. Mining money in null outstrips it significantly. It’s just harder to AFK because rocks don’t trigger aggressive drone behavior. As for nullseccers getting ‘played’ by CCP… nullseccers know _exactly_ what we’re getting into when it comes to ‘hey, look, we’re pushing the Local count into 4 digits’. We expected TiDi. We always expect TiDi. Hell, we (Goonswarm) TiDi ourselves on a regular basis just by moving a single fleet. Anyone who thinks we got ‘played’ in 9-4RP2 wasn’t thinking it through. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2018, 12:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/285 "2018-01-29T00:35:17Z")
This graph was just an example of a filter, not a statement that its current situation. There is this date there so I think it was obvious. I never stated that numbers are the same today as that year. As for being played by CCP, they have a rather big bunch of dislikes under the promo video. I would say people dont accept such a blatant CCP propaganda, obviously directed to the wider audience. As someone who experienced a 10% TiDi, I know how it feels, and when you are disappointed because what you got there for is not happening. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=13) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=15)