# Remember the "dedicated balance team" ccp promised last summer? CSM member reveals ccp \*\*\*canned it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522 "2018-01-26T16:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/407 "2018-01-30T22:26:53Z")
Not all ships get application bonuses to all missile types. There is no battleship with a bonus to HML application for example. Unless I am mistaken most ships don’t get one for RLML either. Gonna have to double check that one. I’d even consider creating a flat penalty based on hulls as well to further press home that some hulls (like cerberus) should catagorically NOT be fit for anti-frigate duty but a standard caracal CAN because it has only 20k ehp unlike the 60k for a cerb. ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/408 "2018-01-30T22:31:03Z")
if you increase that amount to $2, whats the rate? Because I heard it was over 3.3 billion living on less than $2 a day. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/409 "2018-01-30T22:31:25Z")
(cerb) I think the problem is that its hitting frigs for about 50% of its damage with medium weapons at over 600 dps at over 60km’s how do you tackle that with an inti lol all other weapons have damage loss over that range or don’t hit things with a small sig well, rapid lights have no negative except for reload I guess but that’s 22k damage or something, maybe this is the whole reason ADC was invented to last past reload? But kind of a niche roll better to just nerf the thing xD. ---
**Author:** ![Tiddle\_Jr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tiddle_jr/32/469145_2.png) [@Tiddle\_Jr](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tiddle_Jr)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/410 "2018-01-30T22:31:26Z")
Raven does. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/411 "2018-01-30T22:35:26Z")
For heavy missiles, not for light. Also use a guidance disrupter leave light missiles alone ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/412 "2018-01-30T22:42:37Z")
As of 2015, if I recall correctly, it was 1.3 billion living in extreme poverty. Edit: extreme poverty is $1.25/day. ---
**Author:** ![Makshima\_Shogo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makshima_shogo/32/247769_2.png) [@Makshima\_Shogo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makshima_Shogo)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/413 "2018-01-30T22:43:44Z")
Ofc your going to want rapid lights left alone if you use them: Vaga full guns with 3 damage mods and 2 tracking rigs Cerb with full missiles 3 damage mods and 2 tracking rigs. Vs Inti. ![Light%20missile%20vs%20Auto](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/f/6/f63da2a379cb2b85ebb6464989dbddef6f246a41.jpg) That’s flying at optimal path to track as well, can’t tell me that’s balanced. And against a Hac with a much bigger sig radius: ![light%20missle%20vs%20auto%20against%20bigger%20ship](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/8/2877e05b8be8973ac6ffd2240139caf50eef61ae.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 11:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/414 "2018-01-30T23:00:48Z")
Sounds like mincing words. They use that figure to determine living standards in places with a grossly disproportionate cost of living vs the USA. By current metrics up to 40% of the USA lives in or on the verge of poverty and the avg net value of an entire demographic in a certain city is $5 per person. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/415 "2018-01-30T23:06:19Z")
What you want is light missiles to be like heavys, crap application thus ruin not just a sol ship but a entire line. If you really feel like rlml are overwhelming, your looking at the wrong ship. If anything needs a Nerf it the orthrus, cuz if one really feels like sealclubbing then that’s the ship to use ---
**Author:** ![Caleb\_Seremshur](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caleb_seremshur/32/399348_2.png) [@Caleb\_Seremshur](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caleb_Seremshur)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/416 "2018-01-30T23:07:30Z")
[Cerberus, Jackleen Zero’s not ■■■■ cerberus] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Missile Guidance Enhancer II /OFFLINE Damage Control II 50MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Adaptive Invulnerability Field II EM Ward Amplifier II Missile Guidance Computer II, Missile Precision Script Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150 Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Light Missile Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Warrior II x3 This fit can apply 160 dps of kinetic to a taranis doing 4200m/s at 81m sig. Sure it’s not _huge_ dps but its still enough to kill a single interceptor. Kind of a waste of money to have a single ship worth 300mil to kill an inty worth like 24mil ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/417 "2018-01-31T00:55:04Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > show me the problem that has existed, in human history, that has been solved by single individuals, but could not be solved by a group Walking. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/418 "2018-01-31T01:35:07Z")
Walking. You mean that thing that parents generally hold their children up for at first, so they can get used to the mechanics and start to learn to balance? Ooops. That sounds like a _group_. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/419 "2018-01-31T01:55:02Z")
History of invention is marked by people working alone, but sometime on the basis of someone’s else work. I think the person who first added wheels to a box should be praised, but it was an age without copyrights so history doesnt remember him. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/420 "2018-01-31T02:03:14Z")
And once you get to the point where people are living in communities, those people ‘working alone’ were generally not providing for all of their own needs (including minor things like security and safety), nor were they starting from nothing, as you point out. It’s all built on cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/421 "2018-01-31T02:11:43Z")
Invention can empower individuals to the point where big group isnt needed, only individual overseering. Like in EVE when you log in few characters simulanously. Technology allows it. It could include bots also, but CCP is against technology going so forward as to exclude humans from playing the game. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/422 "2018-01-31T02:17:16Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > Walking . . . That sounds like a group. Is it Goonswarm’s official position that walking is to be done in groups to take advantage of life’s “+10% walking speed per party member per level”? And does that directive also apply to wiping your tushies? Forum posting is probably also a group operation, so feel free to take time to consult The Mittani and other high ranking Goons. I’m sure they’re busy on walking and bathroom ops so, no hurry . . . oh, wait! You guys probably think as a group, too, to increase efficiency, in which case, I look forward to a prompt and thorough response. ^ Can you imagine a game “balanced” around such an absurd concept? I can. 😐 ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/423 "2018-01-31T02:19:17Z")
Can we get back on track please ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/424 "2018-01-31T02:23:50Z")
If we ever groupthink, I am groupthinking about group bringing me sweets. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/425 "2018-01-31T02:24:49Z")
> [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](#): > > Can we get back on track please Which track? The one where people were complaining about CCP not catering to solo players, or, you know, the fact that the ‘dedicated balance team’ isn’t? > [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > Is it Goonswarm’s official position that walking is to be done in groups to take advantage of life’s “+10% walking speed per party member per level”? And does that directive also apply to wiping your tushies? Well, since you’re setting up false narratives, I think it’s pretty clear all 10 of the wells in your village have run dry. ---
**Author:** ![Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luigi_mon-de-sound/32/422750_2.png) [@Luigi\_mon-de-sound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luigi_mon-de-sound)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2018, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/426 "2018-01-31T02:29:17Z")
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