# Remember the "dedicated balance team" ccp promised last summer? CSM member reveals ccp \*\*\*canned it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522 "2018-01-26T16:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/568 "2018-02-05T18:10:07Z")
Well, maybe Project We’reNotCallingItDust2 will allow for something along those lines (and maybe even a new WiS initiative). ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/569 "2018-02-05T18:19:20Z")
Was it $30 Mil last time when they developed WoD so long and showed so little? What if its really happening again? CCP did not change so much thru that time… 😱 ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/570 "2018-02-05T18:22:13Z")
No, that’s definitely not what’s going on now. Remember: that development period for WoD was marked by CCP tasking the WoD team with working on EVE assets instead. That’s _why_ there was never anything to show for it for WoD. Frankly, if they were doing that again with P: Legion or any of their other projects, we’d see a lot more being made in EVE. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/571 "2018-02-05T18:22:51Z")
Are you able to disclose what the devs are actually doing? ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/572 "2018-02-05T18:25:01Z")
They were doing side project for VR… 🤫 ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/573 "2018-02-05T18:25:59Z")
> [@Tipa\_Riot](#): > > Are you able to disclose what the devs are actually doing? I too think this would be really useful information to have. If you are able. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/574 "2018-02-05T18:30:40Z")
Which then got spun into a different studio as soon as it reached a point where they needed to devote more than ‘hey, I’ve got some free time’ to it. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/575 "2018-02-05T18:31:10Z")
Details of roadmap session are not included in the meeting minutes. 🤷‍♀️ > **[CSM12-S1.pdf](https://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/Meetings/summit/CSM12-S1.pdf)** > > 326.00 KB Maybe now EVE crew works on EVE Legion? 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_SkaIski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skaiski/32/126779_2.png) [@Nana\_SkaIski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_SkaIski)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/576 "2018-02-05T18:34:33Z")
I wonder how do they work now, one game, two studios, two ceos, two management cultures? :middleparrot: ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/577 "2018-02-05T20:03:08Z")
Right now, they likely work like every other IP-owner/Licensee arrangement works. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Lopez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_lopez/32/484486_2.png) [@Mr\_Lopez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Lopez)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/578 "2018-02-05T20:13:00Z")
Page 6 in the CSM link regarding balance thingies just made me sad… ---
**Author:** ![Zircon\_Dasher](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zircon_dasher/32/36736_2.png) [@Zircon\_Dasher](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zircon_Dasher)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/579 "2018-02-05T20:37:52Z")
> [@Mr\_Lopez](#): > > Page 6 in the CSM link regarding balance thingies just made me sad… I know right? I am so pissed at Steve for bringing up such a worthless idea. We DO NOT need animated agents!! ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/580 "2018-02-05T20:53:41Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > We’reNotCallingItDust2 Dust 515 ---
**Author:** ![Jeremiah\_Saken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jeremiah_saken/32/266740_2.png) [@Jeremiah\_Saken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jeremiah_Saken)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/581 "2018-02-05T21:18:04Z")
Even better: one of CSM was approaching the summit with focus on opportunities (sic!)…it’s just like randomly choosed when in flight to Iceland. This is so bad on so many levels. Not to even mention there is no such thing as road map didn’t hide behind NDA, the most important part of the summit. CCP promised improvement at this field yet nothing changed. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Hill](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nate_hill/32/60038_2.png) [@Nate\_Hill](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nate_Hill)\ **Post date:** [February 7, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/582 "2018-02-07T01:40:19Z")
Balancing instead of real new gameplay is much easier and cheaper for CCP. Just balance till the end of the world. ---
**Author:** ![Shailagh\_R](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shailagh_r/32/12296_2.png) [@Shailagh\_R](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shailagh_R)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 3:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/583 "2018-02-09T03:51:05Z")
> [@](#): > > CSM asks about where the priorities lie with balacing. Fozzie says this has fallen into a nebulous area within the company and they are quite confused about it internally as a side effect of the CSM bringing this up frequently. Lol ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 7:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/584 "2018-02-09T07:47:55Z")
CSM minutes out, PvE session discussed. Key points are discussing stats and drop frequency of Serpentis supercapitals, the issue with NPC miners wiping out belts before players even log in, the lack of visibility of some hints as to where find those miners and the FOBs and how Team Phenomenon also develops tools for other teams to use even if they don’t implement them directly, so the new AI will be used in future mechanics. In adifferent section, they agree that Resource Wars haven’t worked as expected (shocking, huh?) and are being handed over to the Events team, but no further development will happen on them. And that’s all matters PvE folks. No wonder CCP Seagull took her chance to fill the nest, CCP is cessating to be a place worth to put time and effort on it. ---
**Author:** ![pris\_Naari](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pris_naari/32/423837_2.png) [@pris\_Naari](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/pris_Naari)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/585 "2018-02-09T17:50:35Z")
I’m glad the “balancing” isn’t being pushed very hard. in gaming; “balancing” most often means that things get nerfed rather then buffed. i would like to see more harmony and communication between players - devs - and managanemt. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2018, 6:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/586 "2018-02-09T18:07:52Z")
> [@Jenn\_aSide](#): > > (It works in reverse too, I’ve seen smug PVP jocks die embarrassingly in PVE sites because they didn’t listed to people who actually run those sites and thought “I win fights against real people, these rats can’t hurt me!”… WRONG lol). I’m one of those… Rumors say that I lose more ISK than I gain when running missions due to me getting so many ships blown up by rats because I’m not paying attention. It has sort of become a running joke 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Frostys\_Virpio](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frostys_virpio/32/12703_2.png) [@Frostys\_Virpio](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frostys_Virpio)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2018, 12:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/587 "2018-02-14T00:01:58Z")
> [@pris\_Naari](#): > > in gaming; “balancing” most often means that things get nerfed rather then buffed. That’s to prevent power creep. It’s a rather normal way to balance accepted by most game. The only time where people dislike it is when they are too attached to a particular thing in game. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=28) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=30)