# Remember the "dedicated balance team" ccp promised last summer? CSM member reveals ccp \*\*\*canned it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [January 26, 2018, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522 "2018-01-26T16:11:41Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/65 "2018-01-27T15:10:25Z")
Please tell, what games I am playing that make me want to make EVE Online like them? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/66 "2018-01-27T15:14:18Z")
How would I know what you play? You want me to guess out of thousands and thousands of games? ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/67 "2018-01-27T15:16:26Z")
Then, how do you know what would I want for EVE Online? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/68 "2018-01-27T15:20:20Z")
So youre saying your edit to my post was not your opinion? ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/69 "2018-01-27T15:24:40Z")
I said that PvP kills itself and so games must diversify, which would be the opposite of what CCP has been doing with the Rubicon Plan. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/70 "2018-01-27T15:26:18Z")
PvP in EVE is based on skill, fit, luck, numbers, knowledge and micromanagement also. EVE is an original concept in that, is like a niche of niches. And when CCP makes PvP game that is easier to get into, they screw up matchmaking and do something genuinly stupid like make it on a dying console or on VR being simplest of simple and relying on graphics and immersion because of that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/71 "2018-01-27T15:41:36Z")
And I said diversification is not the removal of pvp. Maybe I should have added that its the inclusion of other things, but given that everything is against other players in EvE. Elite Dangerous is a prime example of removing everything except the bare pve experience and it is a dry contentless universe. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/72 "2018-01-27T15:48:10Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > I’m one of the few people who care enough to deal with the ■■■■ that comes with interacting with the community, to be blunt. Getting blamed for literally everything tends to tire oneself out. Yeah, it’s a tough job but somebody’s gotta do it, right? 🤔 And you’re definitely very good at it too. 😌 > [@Arrendis](#): > > And we definitely appreciate it, Jin’taan. Agreed 100%, even if we give the impression that we don’t. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/73 "2018-01-27T15:49:43Z")
CCP would have a lot more resources to invest on PvP if they had cared more about PvE players. There are better PvP games around, they just don’t last 15 years, nor are intended to. Yet keeping EVE’s PvP afloat is a heavy duty that becomes more and more difficult over time, and requires more resources than CCP can earn by developing PvP alone. CCP needs “bad money” from PvE to make “good development” of PvP, but their moves since Rubicon has been “f\*\*\* that bad money and the dudes giving it to us: either they pick the bones we throw to them to become good PvPrs or go away”, with the result that CCP now can’t do enough to save PvP from its self-destruction. The last big battle was the last big battle. CCP can not fix them in any feasible way without money, time and personel they don’t have. It’s the end of the road unless they completely rework the big battle system… and that’s something they can’t afford neither. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 3:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/74 "2018-01-27T15:56:14Z")
I haven’t said that PvP was removed. I’ve said, a few times, that CCP was wrong to sacrifice PvE for PvP as that has removed their ability to sustain the development of PvP. PvP is financially unsustainable without a solid PvE income backup, and CCP has destroyed that backup. Now, CCP doesn’t haves the money to develop PvP as fast as needed. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/75 "2018-01-27T16:01:29Z")
Then I apologise for picking up wrong on your intentions. After the fiftieth millionth topic on the forums (from usually relatively new players) demanding removal of x y and z on the grounds that pvp is hard or EvE in general isnt easy enough, it gets too easy to see all posts as simply wanting to “fix what is wrong with EvE” in the same way Braben claimed ED was, and in the process he took any shred of creativity away from the players of that game. I suppose Im just too jaded to see whats wrong with the PvE in this game. It looks ok to me. This poster promises to be more vigilant and less triggered in her posts in future. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/76 "2018-01-27T16:34:26Z")
Thanks, that really means a lot to me. ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/77 "2018-01-27T16:39:51Z")
Over the past 2 years there have been more PvE related additions to the game than any other 2 years in EVE Online’s history bar the first 2. - Rorquals - Moon Mining - The PvE ‘Events’ like Guardians Gala starting up and continuing (there’s an entire new team dedicated to them) - FoBs - NPC Soitoyos - NPC Mining Fleets - Resource Wars - Drifter Incursions - Drifter WHs - The Agency - Shadow of the Serpent - New Burner Missions I’m sure I probably missed a few, but I think this illustrates my scepticism around CCP ‘not developing’ PvE. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/78 "2018-01-27T16:44:44Z")
More than likely the problem is that there’s been way too many ships added to the game. I mean come on man, just exactly how many ships are actually needed to play this game. I think to keep them all equal, just split up the various hull classes into groups, half are Shield Tank and the other half are Armor Tank. Then give all ships in each specific group the same amount of slots, PG, CPU and Cap. Then add bonus via skill level to the ships so they can be max fit with the best modules available for that specific hull class group. T2 ships get 1 more slot with small increase to PG, CPU and Cap compared to T1 ships. Faction ships get 1 more slot with small increase to PG, CPU and Cap compared to T2 ships. Basically that would make all ships in each specific group equal. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/79 "2018-01-27T16:47:44Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > Thanks, that really means a lot to me. No problem man and you’re welcome. As for the list of PvE content you posted, most of that is centered around fleet / corp action, not really meant for solo gameplay. In my opinion the Apocrypha Expansion was the best which added the most PvE content to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Mina\_Sebiestar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mina_sebiestar/32/502522_2.png) [@Mina\_Sebiestar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mina_Sebiestar)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/80 "2018-01-27T16:51:29Z")
Some of those are years too late and most of them aren’t fully developed copy paste etc. Mission system is virtually untouched,drifter incursions…do I need say more where is iteration on sansha incursions, capital sites.scout sites would adore CCP dev dropping in here to explain those how about future plans? There is price to pay ignoring something for years and doing things half baked after it it’s called inadequate… inadequate cost ppl and ppl money they take away with them. ---
**Author:** ![Yiole\_Gionglao](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yiole_gionglao/32/516090_2.png) [@Yiole\_Gionglao](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yiole_Gionglao)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/81 "2018-01-27T17:03:11Z")
Ok, let’s see why i am not subscribed to EVE: - Rorquals -not highsec, useelss - Moon Mining -useless even if it comes nerfed to highsec - The PvE ‘Events’ like Guardians Gala starting up and continuing (there’s an entire new team dedicated to them) -those got me busy for a couple events. Useless in long term. - FoBs -useless - NPC Soitoyos -not highsec and not even nullseccers bother with them, they’re a complete piece of sh\*t - NPC Mining Fleets -useless - Resource Wars -useless - Drifter Incursions -ran them until they removed them since the AI was FUBAR. - Drifter WHs -useless - The Agency -barely usable and has ended up removing stuff - Shadow of the Serpent -same as events - New Burner Missions -useless Guess what happens here? I don’t pay for content I can’t enjoy in highsec. That includes highsec content that’s a waste of time (like events forcing me to jump 30 systems and eventually log off without finishing a single site) I don’t pay for being forced to fleet or group I don’t pay for what I don’t like And the funny thing is that everyone but CCP is quite sure of what do highsec PvErs want from the game. Quoting myself: Highsec content must be: 1. doable in less than an hour login to logout 2. dependable (you’re rewarded each time you do it) 3. rewarding (in any sense: isk OR fun OR chitchatting OR doing other things while you EVE) 4. allow suboptimal tactics, aka reward creativity (say, run Level 4s in T2 frigates for the lulz) 5. must be expanded regularly to avoid staleness You would be shocked about the consensus that this list raises, and how well it explains why highsec PvErs keep quitting the game. ---
**Author:** ![Rivr\_Luzade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rivr_luzade/32/311061_2.png) [@Rivr\_Luzade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rivr_Luzade)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/82 "2018-01-27T17:13:47Z")
Rorqs and moon mining are not PVE. The Agency is the same as the Gala events and Shadow of Serpent, and the latest version of the Agency after the removal of the separate Agent Finder, is nowhere nearly as good as it should be as the PVE hub for EVE. NPC mining fleets are an eyesore in high sec because they remove all the minerals from the casual miners there, and in Null sec they are but a nuisance if they don’t spawn the hauler with a strongbox. Drifter WH are also not PVE, they are only good for PVP into a lot of different places from your home. That leaves Resource Wars, which are problematic in itself because the rewards are barely worth doing them; NPC Sotiyos, which can be farmed with minimal effort counter to what they orignally were supposed to be; New Burner missions; FOBs which are pushing not insignificant volumes of structure modules on the market, which ruins margins and reasons to build them from actual players; and Drifter Incursions, which are dead. ---
**Author:** ![Tipa\_Riot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tipa_riot/32/443513_2.png) [@Tipa\_Riot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tipa_Riot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/83 "2018-01-27T17:58:28Z")
> [@Jin\_taan](#): > > Rorquals - _no PvE_ > Moon Mining - _no PvE_ > **The PvE ‘Events’ like Guardians Gala starting up and continuing (there’s an entire new team dedicated to them)** > FoBs - _too high entry barrier for too little reward_ - _niche content_ > NPC Soitoyos - _niche content_ > NPC Mining Fleets - _dead content_ > Resource Wars - _newbie scam_ > Drifter Incursions - _removed_ > Drifter WHs - _niche content_ > The Agency > Shadow of the Serpent > New Burner Missions - _niche content_ The only thing what actually works, means, it attracts more than 0.1% of the player base are the different (agency) events. Now let’s think about why … ---
**Author:** ![Jin\_taan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jin_taan/32/381307_2.png) [@Jin\_taan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jin_taan)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2018, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522/84 "2018-01-27T18:00:35Z")
> [@Yiole\_Gionglao](#): > > Highsec content must be: > > doable in less than an hour login to logout > dependable (you’re rewarded each time you do it) > rewarding (in any sense: isk OR fun OR chitchatting OR doing other things while you EVE) > allow suboptimal tactics, aka reward creativity (say, run Level 4s in T2 frigates for the lulz) > must be expanded regularly to avoid staleness > > You would be shocked about the consensus that this list raises, and how well it explains why highsec PvErs keep quitting the game. That’s VERY close to the Events team’s criteria for events, actually. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remember-the-dedicated-balance-team-ccp-promised-last-summer-csm-member-reveals-ccp-canned-it/53522.md?page=5)