# Remove suicide ganking from high sec **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [October 24, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361 "2019-10-24T04:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 2:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/230 "2020-07-15T14:33:18Z")
> [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](#): > > It’s almost like he’s trolling people here…weird as he seems sooooo genuine… It’s possible, but just how I wouldn’t use the word “rant” without cause, I’m not gonna just call everyone appearing disingenuous a troll without good reason. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 2:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/231 "2020-07-15T14:43:43Z")
> [@Yannah\_Vandenstellars](#): > > So what’s your advice for an Alpha player who still wants to have fun in EVE ? You keep logging in so you must have some fun in the game. This is my advice for new Alpha players: –Don’t take the game seriously and don’t think you’re actually accomplishing something because you’re not, your skill cap will get in the way of any long-term plans. –Forget about PvP as you don’t have the modules or ships to measure up, unless you want to get rid of a ship, not selling it but getting blown up in it is kinda fun. Plus you get a bonus free ship when that happens. You can reprocess it for ore and sell that. Do distribution missions. You’ll see some cool space regions you haven’t yet visited and it helps your Activity Tracker. Do some other missions, if you can, as you’re limited in ISK, ships, skills… Mine some stuff and learn which rocks will give you which material and which sector they may be found and what you can manufacture with them. I find that interesting. They did a good job on that. Manufacture what you usually use, or try to anyway. Again, you’ll be limited but I’ve been able to manufacture my ammo for a T3 ship and been attacking NPC location fairly regularly. Do some exploration if that’s your thing. That is, if you can understand the gobblygook they call a tutorial. Finally, don’t undock with a ship you don’t want to lose or can’t replace. There are some “heroes” out there praying on the weak and vulnerable. I’ve seen it called “terrorism” on this forum and I don’t entirely disagree with that. Mainly, log in with a daily goal in mind and try to accomplish that goal in one or two days. Anything that requires more than a few days to do is, in general, a waste of your time as an Alpha Clone. Remember that you’re not really playing EVE, you’re only playing a pale copy “demo” version. Treat it as such. ---
**Author:** ![Yannah\_Vandenstellars](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yannah_vandenstellars/32/218491_2.png) [@Yannah\_Vandenstellars](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yannah_Vandenstellars)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/232 "2020-07-15T15:12:10Z")
> [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > So basically you just want them to add a statement that says “Be carefull, Alpha clones are limited”? I want them to be transparent with new players. I know it’s a hard concept for businessmen to grasp but anything else is a lure. Why do you think more than half of new players quit within a week? I’ll tell you why: Because they start realizing that what they thought they were going to be able to do is either unattainable as an Alpha clone or a year away ( at the very least ) from materializing. All those cool structures you see floating in space? NOPE, you can’t have that, at least not for a year at least. All those cool battlespaceships you saw on YouTube? NOPE, you can’t have that either, at least for a year or you can spend real money to buy PLEX—\> ISK only to get blown up by an “ace” who preys on the noobs. Good luck with that, lol. Basically, the new players get nothing but junk and they realize they have to spend so much time and money only to start having fun in space ? How many noobs would’ve shown up in EVE if they’d read my posts ? Not half of what we have now. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/233 "2020-07-15T16:42:53Z")
Can you explain why someone would make a new character to upvote all of your posts in this thread? @Gaby_Yanus must really like you! ---
**Author:** ![Dravick\_Afterthought](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dravick_afterthought/32/282017_2.png) [@Dravick\_Afterthought](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dravick_Afterthought)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/234 "2020-07-15T18:09:10Z")
> [@Yannah\_Vandenstellars](#): > > Don’t bother. You’re nothing but a troll It’s amazing how many people who just lost an argument respond with “You’re nothing but a troll”. ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 6:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/235 "2020-07-15T18:27:43Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Can you explain why someone would make a new character to upvote all of your posts in this thread? @Gaby\_Yanus must really like you! There are about the same age, given @Yannah_Vandenstellars is only a day old. ---
**Author:** ![zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zen-spfarm-002_lsg/32/195274_2.png) [@zen-spfarm-002\_LSG](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zen-spfarm-002_LSG)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2020, 8:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/236 "2020-07-15T20:36:56Z")
> [@Yannah\_Vandenstellars](#): > > Basically, the new players get nothing but junk and they realize they have to spend so much time and money only to start having fun in space ? This is curse on Eve and a reason why only old players still play Eve, the dead man walks ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/237 "2020-07-16T00:38:09Z")
My son started playing a year ago. He’s 14. He has a friend who started playing 6 months ago. And I have another EVE friend (the one who talked me into trying EVE) who has a friend who’s son is starting. Is that indicative of a broader trend? no of course not. But that’s 3 14-15 year olds who are playing the game. 2 of which have stayed whit it 6 months or more. EVE is and will always be a game that’s not for everyone. It’s a slow burn, not an immediate satisfaction game. ---
**Author:** ![Ackbarre](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ackbarre/32/498076_2.png) [@Ackbarre](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ackbarre)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/238 "2020-07-16T13:23:22Z")
You really don’t get it do you? This is an essential mechanic of Eve. Where you should never feel safe anywhere. Eve is all about risk vs. reward. Being AFK while mining would seem less risky. And the reward is equivalent to the risk. But being AFK means you didn’t really care about your investment. And openly invite yourself to being ganked. Be smarter and pay more attention to what you are doing. You don’t have to be paranoid but a healthy awareness will go a long way. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/239 "2020-07-16T14:59:16Z")
> [@Ackbarre](#): > > Be smarter and pay more attention to what you are doing. You don’t have to be paranoid but a healthy awareness will go a long way. Just being careful isn’t enough. In my opinion, Paranoia is a great thing to have while playing EVE. Paranoia is a negative word but quickly becomes a positive when it helps you avoid all sorts of trouble, in game or in real life. I’m a very paranoid person. Didn’t start out this way but in this day and age, I’m glad to have this mental state of mind. Saved my butt countless times. ---
**Author:** ![Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/celine_sophia_maricadie/32/178829_2.png) [@Celine\_Sophia\_Maricadie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Celine_Sophia_Maricadie)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2020, 5:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/240 "2020-07-17T17:48:13Z")
I’ve been ganked a few times, and done some ganking myself. This idea/suggestion is just bad. The core of the mechanics of EVE Online are that you are unsafe the moment you undock. Learn how to avoid suicide ganks; it’s quite easy. ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/241 "2020-07-25T16:09:52Z")
have to say the reward for suicide ganking atm is way to high for the risk involved 😛 as there basically is no risk involved always just the cost of a thraser/catalyst to calculate vs huge rewards 🙂 prolly the most rewarding activity ingame atm with the least amount of risk 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/242 "2020-07-25T16:15:58Z")
The maximum risk for almost anything you do in Eve is just the cost of your ship and pod. Maybe you are playing the game wrong. Have you tried flying cheaper ships? ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/243 "2020-07-25T16:19:00Z")
i do 🙂 but the risk vs reward with suicide ganking is basically none existing risk and the largest rewards 😛 basically cant even be countered as its just cheap alts used for it anyhow no investment and no risk but large rewards in the billions 🙂 that is kinda the truth most suicide gankers wont ever admit just check the killboards for the rewards in it easy to se 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/244 "2020-07-25T16:25:09Z")
try getting close to those rewards with a venture no matter what risks you take even in lowsec or 0.0 🙂 that you can get with a catalyst taking the same risk 🙂 something is very unbalanced in the risk/reward in suicide ganking atm 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/245 "2020-07-25T16:26:58Z")
nothing wrong in getting assets destroyed tough as that is what drives the market but dont say risk/reward is balanced 🙂 might even be a necessity atm as the 0.0 is more or less stagnated and i guess the war is not going to last so but that is a diffrent matter. ---
**Author:** ![Derath\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/derath_ellecon/32/289725_2.png) [@Derath\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Derath_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/246 "2020-07-25T16:45:05Z")
> [@sqappie](#): > > basically cant even be countered The counter is so easy it’s laughable. Paying a modicum of attention. Staying aligned. Using your dscan for advanced warning… ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/247 "2020-07-25T16:47:36Z")
no i didnt talk about yourself getting ganked mostly spent my time in lowsec 😛 but basically impossible to inflict any damages on gankers 😛 they got no risk involved that is the problem i have with it and that the rewards is way to high for the risk with it. would recommend suicide ganking over mining anyday for new players as the risk in it is non existant but the rewards is insane most dont realise that tough. but i guess that is the only way ships get destroyed when 0.0 is stagnated so needed now i think but its way unbalanced. ---
**Author:** ![sqappie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sqappie/32/220331_2.png) [@sqappie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/sqappie)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/248 "2020-07-25T16:58:10Z")
basically the rewards should be in lowsec,null and not in highsec neiter ganking nor mining in highsec should be that profitable mining is not but ganking is more profitable than low and nullsec even 🙂 only mining atm that is rewarding is rorq mining so 😛 and in nullsec supers running sites but that is getting nerfed. so drops in highsec should be nerfed also that is atleast what i think would be fair. some middleground on drops in lowsec and the most in null. basically most items get destroyed in high sometimes even all get. scaling to low and nullsec ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 5:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/249 "2020-07-25T17:20:20Z")
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