# Remove suicide ganking from high sec **URL:** \ **Category:** Mining & Extraction\ **Created:** [October 24, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361 "2019-10-24T04:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/515 "2020-11-18T03:16:07Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It’s such an absurdly unlikely possibility that I have no idea why you would spend time considering it. Right. Handicapped people are absurd and none play EVE. Loads of people with no imagination do play EVE however, which explains why some focus so hard on one mentioned possibility and cannot think of any others, such as being 6 years old. The inabiity to shut up about off topic things however remains a mystery to me. I cannot find a cause for that. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/516 "2020-11-18T03:16:26Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Good point. That 20% of CONCORD spawning is probably too high, it should be more like a 1% chance of CONCORD spawning to bring ganking in line with the negligible risk that (non-idiot) haulers and miners face. And even 1% is probably too high, but I’ll acknowledge that in highsec aggressive play styles should face higher risks than average. Now your just being a smart ass because you hate miners and it looks like freighter pilots too. The ISK risk for a freighter pilot or hulk pilot is far greater than a gankers ISK risk. If you spend $5 million to pull of a freighter gank and make $5 billion on the gank, I would say the isk to risk value is far lower than it is for the freighter pilot. How about anytime Concord has to show up because of your criminal deads, you face some sort of punishment that a real criminal would face like fines, jail time, hanging, or electric chair. Kill rights, bounty’s, and death by concord is old risk, gankers deserve new risk. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/517 "2020-11-18T03:21:13Z")
> [@Ridley\_Rohan](#): > > Right. Handicapped people are absurd and none play EVE. That is not what I said. I said that it’s absurd to see a player who has lost ships and consider “BUT WHAT IF THEYRE HANDICAPPED” as the explanation. And it is. The overwhelmingly most likely explanation for a player losing ships in EVE is that they are a normal adult playing a PvP game where ship loss is common. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/518 "2020-11-18T03:21:55Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > It’s such an absurdly unlikely possibility that I have no idea why you would spend time considering it. And it’s even more absurd that you use this speculation to conclude that gankers must be awful people who enjoy killing people like this imaginary handicapped player. Some folks have honer and integrity that get in the way of being a sociopath. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/519 "2020-11-18T03:22:16Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > If you spend $5 million to pull of a freighter gank and make $5 billion on the gank Just going to stop you right here. You can only make 5 billion on the gank if the freighter pilot is an idiot. Smart players can’t be ganked profitably because their expected loot drop is less than the cost of the ships required to gank them. > Some folks have honer and integrity that get in the way of being a sociopath. Some people are dumb enough to think that killing people in a PvP game makes you a sociopath. You should try not to be one of them. ---
**Author:** ![Rall\_Mekin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rall_mekin/32/326860_2.png) [@Rall\_Mekin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rall_Mekin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/520 "2020-11-18T03:52:03Z")
Why are you playing EVE? This game is built around risk and consequence. All that removing high sec ganking would do is water down the very reason most people play this game. ---
**Author:** ![Ridley\_Rohan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ridley_rohan/32/403694_2.png) [@Ridley\_Rohan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ridley_Rohan)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/521 "2020-11-18T03:55:51Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > The overwhelmingly most likely explanation for a player losing ships in EVE is that they are a normal adult playing a PvP game where ship loss is common. Well, I am sure you have researched this this enough using donations and government grants for funding and even without seeing the victim’s name, talking to him, his corp mates or seeing his killboard you must be correct due to your advanced, studied and superior knowledge so yeah, you must be right and I am glad we got that issue solved. Now excuse me while I go brag to my friends about how I blasted a ship and pod that did not try to fight, escape, or beg for mercy. ---
**Author:** ![Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tursiops_truncatus/32/232426_2.png) [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tursiops_Truncatus)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/522 "2020-11-18T04:00:13Z")
> [@Merin\_Ryskin](#): > > Some people are dumb enough to think that killing people in a PvP game makes you a sociopath. You should try not to be one of them. If you think peoples personality do not spill over to the PVP sand box game , your not half as intelligent as your try to portray yourself as. It takes a real sociopath to spend time with people earning their trust knowing that you plan on destroying thousands of peoples work and time. Game or not, real life personality’s and emotions do spill over into the game world. I have never played any game that did not have passion in it from the people playing it. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/523 "2020-11-18T04:10:49Z")
Why would Mother Theresa be playing Eve? ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/524 "2020-11-18T04:18:02Z")
She probably fly a logi. Maybe run a freighter, taking much needed items to low or null. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/525 "2020-11-18T04:18:51Z")
They aren’t needed - all of these virtues people are claiming are just euphemisms for greed. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/526 "2020-11-18T04:21:38Z")
I thought the ore update was mostly about insuring that each area of space needed ores from other areas. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/527 "2020-11-18T04:23:05Z")
Only if they want continue spinning their endless profit machine. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/528 "2020-11-18T04:24:13Z")
I’m guessing they do. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/529 "2020-11-18T04:27:59Z")
Greed. Not a virtue. Destroying their ships and interfering with their avarice is not evil. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/530 "2020-11-18T04:28:30Z")
> [@Tursiops\_Truncatus](#): > > It takes a real sociopath to spend time with people earning their trust knowing that you plan on destroying thousands of peoples work and time. What does this have to do with suicide ganking? ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/531 "2020-11-18T04:34:12Z")
Not saying it is. I was just answering your question about mother Theresa. I grinned at the idea of her repping shield or armor in a fleet. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/532 "2020-11-18T04:40:02Z")
If she really wanted to help people, she would clear out these highsec miners - especially the older players that mine in rookie systems. ---
**Author:** ![Obed\_Marshh](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/obed_marshh/32/459118_2.png) [@Obed\_Marshh](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Obed_Marshh)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/533 "2020-11-18T04:47:22Z")
Nah. Heals/reps ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2020, 4:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361/534 "2020-11-18T04:57:30Z")
Going by actual history she’d be a Jita ISK doubling scammer. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-suicide-ganking-from-high-sec/197361.md?page=27)