# Remove titan and supers from low sec allow only dreads and carriers **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** low-sec\ **Created:** [February 14, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503 "2021-02-14T16:20:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/21 "2021-02-14T18:54:16Z")
Well, as said, they serve no engaging purpose. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/22 "2021-02-14T19:05:33Z")
So you don’t like war? It is natural for large coalitions and alliances to fight each other. the specific reason doesn’t matter. It’s just human nature. Almost everyone wants to control their slice. When you have such a large coalition, much like irl with countries, it is natural to invent or use bigger weapons. In this case, Supers and Titans serve as higher end warfare. Sub-caps still have their place, in skirmishes and in support of the big toy battles. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/23 "2021-02-14T19:21:51Z")
I voted No because an option for no caps isnt there ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/24 "2021-02-14T22:41:38Z")
I voted no, I live in low/null, I don’t own any supers nor do I belong to one of the “the most powerful groups”, so none of the “Reasons you voted no” could possibly apply to me… To be honest, all the “no” reasons sound like they were thought up by someone who just lost his dread/carrier and is whining about his loss. That pretty much gets an automatic “nope!” from me, i don’t care who dropped you. I believe there should be an escalation option for someone using carriers/dreads in low sec. Banning supers from low just shifts the goal posts, dreads/carriers will become the all-powerful ships, and next you’ll see people suggesting those should be banned as well. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 11:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/25 "2021-02-14T23:47:07Z")
There are hardly any supercaps in lowsec anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/26 "2021-02-15T00:30:55Z")
> [@Clary\_Daemon](#): > > Lowsec is null-lite. if you dont want to face a more powerful enemy, remain in highsec. No one can do anything in hi-sec. You cannot begin any kind of pvp career except for ganking on alts or learning how to structure bash. > [@Xeux](#): > > There are hardly any supercaps in lowsec anyway. Compared to null; true. Compared to none at all, there’s plenty. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/27 "2021-02-15T00:34:04Z")
That’s not entirely true. Wardec and battle. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 12:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/28 "2021-02-15T00:37:59Z")
Wardecs are overwhelmingly structure bashes. And take a large investment before you can even take part in one. This is the main reason I’m now saying to remove supers from low, because high-sec pvp is so tremendously f\*cked that low sec is the only place for beginner/small gang pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/29 "2021-02-15T01:16:00Z")
You want them to come to lowsec so you can shoot them, I think your idea of intimidation is a little out of wack. In Null there is a thing in some places called “not red don’t shoot” I’ve been all over both low and nullsec and lowsec is “it’s not me, shoot it”. I’m not intimidated by anything or anyone so I go where I please, sometimes I get killed for doing so but it doesn’t slow me down one bit. The verbal abuse I get in lowsec never ever happens in nullsec so honestly if someone comes and blows you to smithereens it’s not going to bother me in the slightest. In fact I think I will make popcorn, sit back, and take some pictures. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/30 "2021-02-15T01:19:00Z")
I want all ships to be able to go everywhere, and I want to be able to use my bombs in Jita… The undocking ports… Oh my god the chaos that would create. ---
**Author:** ![Fale\_Einn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fale_einn/32/477432_2.png) [@Fale\_Einn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fale_Einn)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/31 "2021-02-15T01:20:25Z")
I think beginners would be better off in nullsec, it’s not as wildly overpopulated. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/32 "2021-02-15T01:41:24Z")
No caps in low aside from transportation (e.g. a new mechanic that only allows you to cyno within a few KM of an NPC station or an Upwell structure owned by your corporation alliance, or just remove their ability to apply damage). Low-sec should be a place where a three-month-old player can go to experiment without getting dropped by sixty-three Aeons while getting called a “scrubbie” (true story). ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/33 "2021-02-15T01:44:00Z")
Because being killed by 63 (insert preferred sub-cap here) is completely different. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/34 "2021-02-15T01:45:58Z")
Different mechanics. If you tackle someone in low and then wait half an hour until 63 people arrive from all over to get on the kill mail, that’s fair (especially since the target’s _potential_ reinforcements can use that time to arrive as well). But capitals teleport right on top of you within seconds. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/35 "2021-02-15T01:47:38Z")
I have rarely, if ever, seen a tackle engage without backup within a couple jumps. Not to mention, said tackle would have to be able to cyno. - I am tackle. my favorite thing to do, outside of mining and producing. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/36 "2021-02-15T01:50:06Z")
It’s not much of a hassle to follow your main around with a cyno alt, which (because of new cyno ship requirements) also makes for a good scout. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/37 "2021-02-15T01:55:41Z")
Interesting hypothetical. Like I said, I have rarely, if ever, seen a tackle out engaging targets without backup somewhere very close. It doesn’t matter if the overwhelming force is cap or sub-cap, it’s overwhelming force. That does appear to be the name of the game in pvp at the moment. Relatively few pilots engage solo anymore, as far as I’ve seen. There are a few, of course, but the majority of people have friends near to help. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/38 "2021-02-15T02:15:29Z")
> [@Fale\_Einn](#): > > I think beginners would be better off in nullsec, it’s not as wildly overpopulated. It’s easier to force a fight in null because of bubble camps and limited docking. This invariably favours blobbing. In low sec you have more options for avoiding one sided fights which allows small gangs to prosper. So sure, a new player that wants to play the blobby fights, goto null. But currently there are few places small gang players can have their niche, and especially few places for small gang players to begin/learn. Faction warfare is such a place, but so few of the players in faction warfare are there for pvp. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/39 "2021-02-15T04:05:16Z")
The only way to make low-sec “prosper” is to introduce prey to the environment. It can’t just be a bunch of skin-heads beating each other over the head with smartbombing battleships and supers while drooling and making gargly noises. Eliminating the one thing that allows bored, kill-starved null-sec krab-bears to project their power into what is essentially still empire space would help in this regard. “You can no longer get hot-dropped” would be a good headline to get more high-sec dwellers to at least try weekend-tripping into low-sec. ---
**Author:** ![Clary\_Daemon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/clary_daemon/32/253040_2.png) [@Clary\_Daemon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Clary_Daemon)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503/40 "2021-02-15T04:15:55Z")
I don’t think being hot dropped is the primary concern about lowsec. It’s been the smartbomb gatecamps. At least from the perspective of a nullbear. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/remove-titan-and-supers-from-low-sec-allow-only-dreads-and-carriers/295503.md?page=3)