# Replace relist fee with sleeping order **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [April 21, 2021, 11:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052 "2021-04-21T11:13:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/21 "2021-04-22T21:03:38Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > There is no issue, yet your suggestion introduces an issue. But yes there is an issue : the market is not seeded. The single fact that you need to wait for people to seed it is already the issue. And it’s not seeded, for a very good reason : that it’s not beneficial to seed it. That it’s actually a huge loss to seed in advance. The fix is thus, to make it beneficial to seed in advance. This, is the reason to introduce a delay. There is an issue, and my suggestion aims at fixing that issue. That’s why I do that. ---
**Author:** ![Amarisen\_Gream](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarisen_gream/32/296747_2.png) [@Amarisen\_Gream](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarisen_Gream)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/22 "2021-04-22T21:17:16Z")
Ah - you guys do know that they could add an access list where if you are on that said list you have 0 delay for goods posted. The idea might be good idea for the large NPC market hubs but not so much for the Alliance/Corp hubs set up - unless there is the access list and that would allow them more control over who puts crap on the store shelves. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2021, 9:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/23 "2021-04-22T21:44:03Z")
But then the TTT sets it to 0 for everybody for more dumping. And we are back at the start, except it’s a mechanism that gives even more ISK to the exiting cartel. ---
**Author:** ![Amarisen\_Gream](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/amarisen_gream/32/296747_2.png) [@Amarisen\_Gream](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Amarisen_Gream)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/24 "2021-04-23T00:41:14Z")
Not always - just depends on the people setting the list. Your biggest issues - HUMAN FACTOR ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2021, 6:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/25 "2021-04-23T06:37:40Z")
> [@Amarisen\_Gream](#): > > Not always - just depends on the people setting the list. it’s the same. If it can be abused, it will be abused. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2021, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/26 "2021-05-29T16:38:14Z")
Again : this proposal aims at putting more stuff on the market. The issue it tries to address, is that people can’t place big orders on the market because they are cut by smaller orders which make their orders need to be relisted after 3 months. So they need to place smaller orders, that they can use to cut back “bot like” relisters. This proposal considers that the issue comes from the ability to react almost instantly to the market modifications, which benefits to the “bot-like” relisters and is a loss for the producers, which are the one actually seeding the market. Other modifications could have a similar effect, but this one IMO is the simplest and most elegant as it not only reduces the complexity of the game (relist fee gone) but also prevents parasiting gameplay (AKA 0.01 isk trading) ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/27 "2021-06-25T08:02:23Z")
remove relist fee, expand relist minimum time, problem solved oh, wait, now we lost a way for ccp to remove player wealth ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2021, 8:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replace-relist-fee-with-sleeping-order/307052/28 "2021-09-23T08:02:25Z")
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