# Replacing the CSM with another model? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [March 15, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959 "2022-03-15T18:48:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/227 "2022-03-31T09:15:54Z")
> [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > Mike Azariah hands down… and I like him too. Even Mike, as hard not to like as he is, I suspect, is sick and tired of dealing with children. I’m not going to qualify who I mean by that; but it could be anyone. But then, I like Brisc too, which is why I get so dispirited when I feel he has made a serious mistake. There is no perfect system, because there are no perfect people. We do the best we can with what we have and that is enough. I’m thankful for these CSM volunteers. They are like the American Marines; the first to suffer and the last to leave. Should they survive. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 9:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/228 "2022-03-31T09:42:40Z")
> [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > Even Mike, as hard not to like as he is, I suspect, is sick and tired of dealing with children. I’m not going to qualify who I mean by that; but it could be anyone As a member of CSM they have to expect attitude thrown at them or should not have vied for the position. I know it don’t mean being a punching bag but I’ve seen very little meaness and more finger-pointing. Put yourself in an important position and that’s to be expected. > [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > There is no perfect system, because there are no perfect people. We do the best we can with what we have and that is enough That is not in question. No one can do more than they can do. I take issue with Brisc because he’s simply a jerk. There’s no suble way to say that. > [@Snowflake\_Tem](#): > > I’m thankful for these CSM volunteers. They are like the American Marines; the first to suffer and the last to leave. Should they survive Bad analogy 😑 Those soldiers die, like, lose their lives, y’know? CSM isn’t even like those soldier-cooks, whom I respect as well. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 9:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/229 "2022-03-31T09:57:19Z")
> [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > Bad analogy 😑 Those soldiers die, like, lose their lives, y’know? CSM isn’t even like those soldier-cooks, whom I respect as well. I mean no disrespect to those that serve to the fullest with this comparison, but CCP is quite capable of killing the joyful spirit of those that play it’s games. ---
**Author:** ![AzothPrime](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/azothprime/32/387961_2.png) [@AzothPrime](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/AzothPrime)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 11:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/230 "2022-03-31T11:41:49Z")
Should have held out and sold to Amazon or Microsoft. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/231 "2022-03-31T15:01:05Z")
> [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > I know it don’t mean being a punching bag but I’ve seen very little meaness and more finger-pointing. … > [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > I take issue with Brisc because he’s simply a jerk. There’s no suble way to say that. > [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > @Brisc_Rubal everytime you post in a thread there’s drama. Then again, you’re not the most favorite member of CSM to say the least. > [@Kenrailae](#): > > Are you really that bloody arrogant that you think the entire world revolves around you so much? Ho-Lee-fook, my dude. > > Please go get some help. > [@Kenrailae](#): > > Are you so sensitive that me merely referencing something you said in another thread within 20 posts of any post you make is and can only be me following you around to harass you? > [@Kenrailae](#): > > You make a dumb comment that has does nothing to address the concerns people are putting forward as a false ‘appeal to authority’ to justify your pathetic position\*. You’re a perfect example of why the CSM does such a piss poor example of representing the problems of the player base. > [@Vinnegar\_Douche](#): > > All of you dirtbag bitter vet CSM members > [@Vinnegar\_Douche](#): > > To your credit, you’re sometimes labeled as a CCP shill. Not nearly often enough IMHO. > [@Vinnegar\_Douche](#): > > So out of touch… a glaring example of a CSM member who represents nothing but HATE (the NullBloc status quo) > [@Vinnegar\_Douche](#): > > This is the primary reason why the CSM is garbage > [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > Quite flapping your mouthpeice claiming to represent me. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > That’s the problem. You are not representing anyone but yourself. The only player that’s important to you. Every time you put pen to paper, you affirm that it’s all about you. > [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > I really hope nobody turns up at your speeches at events if you do any. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > So… you totally accomplished exactly sweet ■■■■ all. > > Could you be any more disingenuous? > [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > CSM = **C** CP’s **S** pecial **M** uppets. > [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > The only place I see first time posters (by the hundreds) is in the “Worship me, I’m Brisc” thread. > [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > So what? You can’t stand when someone has a different opinion than you, can you, Mr. Highandmighty selft-proclaimed defender of reason 🙄 > These are my parting words to you: Need to keep it short before I puke: \_\_\_\_\_\_ … Yep, no meanness at all here. /sigh ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/232 "2022-03-31T15:06:06Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Yep, no meanness at all here. Quit your pontificating. You don’t even help new players or those beneath you. Instead as you said so yourself, you destroy free stuff in spite. [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revamped-daily-rewards-system/355971/45](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revamped-daily-rewards-system/355971/45) [https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revamped-daily-rewards-system/355971/61](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revamped-daily-rewards-system/355971/61) And yes, you have to be held to a higher bar, since you are claiming to be a leader and representative. CSM be gone… ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/233 "2022-03-31T15:19:45Z")
> [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](#): > > Quit your pontificating. You don’t even help new players or those beneath you. Instead as you said so yourself, you destroy free stuff in spite. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I give away billiions of isk to players all the time. I’ve donated more than 10 bil to Mike’s Operation School Bus, and I am constantly handing out money to people I see. Sorry, I don’t consider giving a free BPC that will cost a new player more to build a ship than the ship is worth to be some kind of a gift. Stop. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/234 "2022-03-31T15:28:48Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Seriously, get off my nuts. Stop claiming to represent me then. If you don’t like the judgement pressure, don’t assume the role. The spotlight is always on you. No hiding. Disband and dissolve the CSM… ---
**Author:** ![Vinnegar\_Douche](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vinnegar_douche/32/414578_2.png) [@Vinnegar\_Douche](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vinnegar_Douche)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/235 "2022-03-31T15:36:50Z")
> [@CPPC\_T\_amber](#): > > Have you ever felt that you were? One thing that this thread shows is that the often celebrated back-stabbing and manipulative culture of Eve Online creates/highlights people who can rise to the top because they’re super extra stabby and manipulative. We got played and distracted by one of the pros. I’m sure there are a few people with sociology degrees who have a special sociologist woody right now after seeing how this thread was hijacked. I have regrets for allowing myself to played into that. I don’t believe all of the CSM members are as manipulative but it’s likely that most of them are. Their agenda is almost certainly not your agenda, they will work against any agenda that doesn’t benefit their own. The CSM doesn’t help the people who just want to enjoy an increasingly better game that benefits all players and all playstyles. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/236 "2022-03-31T15:38:33Z")
I’m so glad I’m not CSM. Imagine voluntarily spending a lot of time in order to try to improve the game, reaching out to interact with players on the forums and then having to deal with insults from clowns all day. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/237 "2022-03-31T15:40:10Z")
> [@Gerard\_Amatin](#): > > Imagine voluntarily spending a lot of time in order to try to improve the game, reaching out to interact with players I prefer CCP reach out to me directly via survey because no CSM will be getting it. If CCP cared, send me a survey, not some despot group. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/238 "2022-03-31T15:49:40Z")
I am astounded that a thread about getting rid of the CSM actually has a CSM member responding to the idea and trying to reason with the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/emotional_support_clown/32/310422_2.png) [@Emotional\_Support\_Clown](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Emotional_Support_Clown)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/239 "2022-03-31T15:51:14Z")
We can call it _CSMexit_? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/240 "2022-03-31T15:57:26Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > trying to reason with the forums. You see what Brisc is doing as trying to reason with the forums? I think you need to ask whoever it is that cares for you to feel your forehead. You are having fever dreams. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/241 "2022-03-31T15:59:59Z")
I dread the days you log-in and check my posts. ---
**Author:** ![Snowflake\_Tem](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/snowflake_tem/32/432971_2.png) [@Snowflake\_Tem](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Snowflake_Tem)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/242 "2022-03-31T16:42:43Z")
What? everyday? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/243 "2022-03-31T16:49:02Z")
He doesn’t manage to harpoon _me_ every day. ---
**Author:** ![Regina\_Rockbound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/regina_rockbound/32/310582_2.png) [@Regina\_Rockbound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Regina_Rockbound)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/244 "2022-03-31T19:01:12Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > Yep, no meanness at all here The thread didn’t start like that. It’s about disbanding CSM. So far you haven’t convinced anyone to keep the group in charge of communication between CCP and the players. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/245 "2022-03-31T19:06:43Z")
> [@Regina\_Rockbound](#): > > The thread didn’t start like that. It’s about disbanding CSM. So far you haven’t convinced anyone to keep the group in charge of communication between CCP and the players. Doesn’t matter whether it started like that or not (and, it did, by the way - your first comment here was to call me a “useful idiot”) - you made the statement, and it’s wrong. I don’t need to convince anyone in this thread whether to keep the CSM. That’s up to CCP and they’re going to do that. I shared my views. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2022, 7:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959/246 "2022-03-31T19:48:41Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > I’d be in favor of replacing the CSM with a juicy ham. The rule is, ham tomorrow and ham yesterday…but never ham today. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/replacing-the-csm-with-another-model/353959.md?page=12)