# Require a Fleet with X Members to Move a Capital Ship **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 6, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316 "2019-05-06T16:16:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/1 "2019-05-06T16:16:08Z")
…including industrials. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/2 "2019-05-06T16:25:27Z")
It wont hurt to throw a bit more meat on that idea… Why? What for? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/3 "2019-05-06T16:35:13Z")
From a lore standpoint, you just don’t send your capitals out solo, they have escorts. From a game standpoint, many of the “issues” we have come from players false expectations that ship progression is linear and capitals are automatically the ultimate solo mobile. Then when it doesn’t work that way we get a constant barrage of changes to make something work that shouldn’t in the first place. The recent changes were a start. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/4 "2019-05-06T16:39:08Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > From a lore standpoint, you just don’t send your capitals out solo, they have escorts. From the factions’ fleets standpoint, yes. They are operated by humans, have a chain of command and need support. Capsuleers are different and are free to do what they want. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/5 "2019-05-06T17:09:51Z")
While I will gladly remind players at almost any opportunity that they should not fly capital ships solo, I feel like forcing that as a requirement would be excessive. (Also, I’d just like to point out that X already equals 2 if you’re using a jump drive to a non-fixed location.) -1 ---
**Author:** ![Daoden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daoden/32/271841_2.png) [@Daoden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daoden)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/6 "2019-05-06T17:10:27Z")
Make it so fighters have to be controlled by a player each. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/7 "2019-05-06T17:21:04Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > It wont hurt to throw a bit more meat on that idea… > > Why? What for? You should see his responses to my posts. What a joke! ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/8 "2019-05-06T17:23:16Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > From a lore standpoint, you just don’t send your capitals out solo, they have escorts. > > From a game standpoint, many of the “issues” we have come from players false expectations that ship progression is linear and capitals are automatically the ultimate solo mobile. Progression = linear Ship tree = bigger is better It’s the wrong kind of balancing that has distorted this trend and I want it back! ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/9 "2019-05-06T17:24:28Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > (Also, I’d just like to point out that X already equals 2 if you’re using a jump drive to a non-fixed location.) > > -1 More like -2 ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/10 "2019-05-06T17:29:56Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Ship tree = bigger is better That is not true. Battleships are terrible at scouting and initial tackling. So every size has its strong and weak areas of use. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/11 "2019-05-06T17:51:47Z")
> [@Bronson\_Hughes](#): > > -1 OMG!!! ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/12 "2019-05-06T18:04:30Z")
I know, I know. I may seem like a slavering fanboi, but I’m not against calling out BS when I see it. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/the_dunning_kruger/32/414724_2.png) [@The\_Dunning\_Kruger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/The_Dunning_Kruger)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/13 "2019-05-06T18:35:15Z")
I expected better trolling from you, Salt. As it stands this thread is just meager disappointment. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/14 "2019-05-07T11:18:15Z")
So my thread gets closed and this one gets to stay open? How is that even fair? ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2019, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/require-a-fleet-with-x-members-to-move-a-capital-ship/157316/15 "2019-08-05T11:18:20Z")
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